Does anyone carry ball ammo in their .45?

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Good morning all, I am wondering who out there carry standard ball ammo in their .45 1911 (or other platforms for that matter)? I have several older members of my family that do and swear by it because when they grew up, that was all that was available. Thanks for the input.
 
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I've got a 1976 Colt Government Model, and that's all it will reliably feed, so the answer is yes. However, I think it would work fine should the need arise.
 
The military still must carry ball in war and it gets the job done but the general consensus of combat veterans is they would much rather have hollow points. I always thought it ironic that military law enforcement could shoot hollow points at Americans but had to swap their ammo out to ball ammo for shooting at the enemy when they entered a war zone.
 
I always thought it ironic that military law enforcement could shoot hollow points at Americans but had to swap their ammo out to ball ammo for shooting at the enemy when they entered a war zone.

Very interesting observation, one that most haven't thought of...
 
True statements above regarding FMJ vs. expanding penetration and it "getting the job done", however...

FMJ is notorious for passing through the intended target and being a hazard downrange. It may be a good choice against personnel wearing body armor (not to mention expanding ammo is prohibited in war), but in most defense shootings this is not an issue. Expanding rounds are designed to balance penetration, energy transfer and tissue disruption, and there is plenty of evidence that shows they are better for defense use.

I would encourage your relatives to see if a good defense hollowpoint will feed in their guns; it will probably work better should they have to use it for a serious situation.
 
All HP, all the time.
Ball has a tendency to zing right thru the target and injure those behind it.
 
The military must use ball ammo based on international convention. The rest of us don't. Ball ammo will work, but doesn't perform as well as a hollow point defense round. If your SD pistol won't reliably chamber HP ammo either get it worked on or relegate it to the range and get siomething that will.
 
I carry WW white box hollow points in mine. The price is almost as cheap as ball, but should expand and reduce penetration. Even if it doesn't expand, it is still a .45.
 
I would use the ball ammo if that is all the pistol will feed. The CorBon Powr'ball will generally work in these pistols so I would prefer that ammo. I know one guy who likes the Powr'ball who lives where it gets cold most of the year. He is very experienced and I will take his word for it that that ammo really works against heavy clothing.

I used to work in a govt weapons shop were I test fired guns all day. Shot up a lot of ball 45 ACP. One thing I dont like about it is the fact that it will ricochet very badly. I often had it bounce off the 2x4 target frames, even from a 10 inch Thompson barrel. Be very careful of your back stop. There was an incident near here a short time ago. A pawn shop was having a flea market type sale outside. For whatever reason, a man produced his carry 45 ACP and when trying to clear it, NDed and fired a round of ball. It hit a 2x4, bounced off and killed his wife. A lot of people were surprised at this. It has also been known to bounce off a skull and of a car windshield. SWC and HP bullets will dig in and will keep on course better with their sharp front edges.
 
I don't carry ball ammo in ANY self-defense handgun.

I have neither qualified immunity nor an endless pot of taxpayer money to bail me out of the consequences of a through and through that could have been prevented by using JHPs.

Here in Ohio, an assailant can pound sand if he stops a bullet and it's ruled a good shoot. The same goes for his mutant family.

On the other hand, I own EVERY bullet which hits a bystander.

Up until recently all of my relatives in Chicago had to rely upon no gun at all (that's called being a helpless victim). Just because they had to do that for years isn't ANY reason for me to. Likewise with the previous lack of reliable, effective hollowpoints.
 
The military still must carry ball in war and it gets the job done but the general consensus of combat veterans is they would much rather have hollow points.
On the battlefield, if you get a through and through and hit another SS man or jihadi, that's considered a GOOD thing.

In the parking lot of Books-a-Million if you shoot through a stickup man and hit somebody on his way to The Original Pancake House, that's called "bankruptcy"... if you're LUCKY.
 
I always thought it ironic that military law enforcement could shoot hollow points at Americans but had to swap their ammo out to ball ammo for shooting at the enemy when they entered a war zone.
It's not ironic at all really.

A lawful combatant in uniform is considered by default NOT a criminal and comes under the protections of the Geneva and Hague Conventions. Barring commission of war crimes, what he does is perfectly legal, including blowing your head off in combat, and he cannot be lawfully prosecuted for it. If he shoots through you and hits your buddy, that's "lucky", not a civil tort.

On the contrary, if a cop shoots through an armed robber and hits you, that's a civil tort, and SOMEBODY is going to be liable to you (or your survivors) for that. Monetary considerations aside, when you repeatedly shoot the wrong people, as the NYPD did during their use of FMJs, that becomes a serious PR problem.
 
I started using the M1911A-1 pistol in 1968 and carried one during two combat tours in Vietnam (airborne infantry, pathfinders). Issued ammunition was either Ball or Tracer Ball. I prefered the tracer ammo because it allows rapid adjustment of fire into the target. I have used, and seen others use, the .45 pistol in combat situations on several occasions, and I do not recall a single customer complaint.

For decades many people kept a big segment of the gunsmithing industry going with various modifications of the 1911-style pistols for improved accuracy and/or functioning. Today the majority of 1911-style pistols being produced incorporate some of these improvements in standard production pistols, and many of these are capable of feeding, firing, extracting, and ejecting various ammunition types with greater reliability than anything available during the first three-quarters of a century of the 1911's life span. Ammunition has also changed considerably, with much improvement in functioning in a broad range of pistols. Magazines have also been improved somewhat.

But there is still nothing available with the reputation for reliability in function that the standard 230-grain ball ammo. All of the major ammunition manufacturers have held military contracts at various times, producing mil-spec .45ACP ammunition by the millions of rounds, and all (Federal, WW, Rem-UMC) continue to produce ammunition that meets those standards.

With a modern pistol produced by the reputable companies, equipped with modern magazines of good quality, and loaded with modern ammunition of any type by reputable manufacturers most people will never experience any difficulties during actual defensive use. However, just about everyone using the currently popular "self defense" loads (hollow-points, etc) for extended periods of time will experience some ammo-related problem during practice or training sessions.

Very, very few people using good quality pistols and ball ammunition will ever experience such problems at any time.

In my opinion it is all about consistency, reliability, and training. You must function test every element (pistol, magazine, ammunition) and train with them regularly. Beyond that, you make your choices and live with the results (or not).

Nothing wrong with good ball ammo in the .45 pistols. It works more consistently than anything else and as long as you do your part right ball ammo will get the job done.

And none of the above touches on the issues of people practicing and training with ball ammo or reloads, then carrying the high-performance self-defense oriented ammo for defensive use. I've seen quite a few surprised users find that their super-duper 185 grain JHP's won't shoot to point of aim, even at modest distances. I've seen others with pistols they know to be at or near 100% reliable during practice, then find that the first or second or third round of hi-performance ammo from the magazine stove-pipes during feeding, sometimes jamming the bullet back into the case, and locking up the action. Many (in and out of the LE community) have never received sufficient training, or practiced the drills for clearing the piece and getting it back into operation rapidly, so they just stare at the nonfunctioning piece in their hands with a confused look on their faces.

Consistency, reliability, and training.

My $0.02 worth.
 
Nope. Too many good HP's that are out there to limit myself to ball.

My classic style 1911 fires Golden Sabres and the like just fine.
 
No chance the HP can pass through & hit some bystander like the ball ammo? If so a law should be enacted to mandate HP's.
 
A couple decades back I did carry ball in my .45. I did it for one reason only penetration.

Let me explain I live in upstate NY and our winters there get rather interesting. People wear so many layers of clothing that convention defense ammo might not penetrate all the way though many inches of different types of fabric to do the job you want.

I tested conventional HP ammo in the usual calibers against a bunch of old winter clothes that were dressed over old phone books. My test showed they filled up on debris and lost their oomph and did not do much damage to the phone books. Now some .45 -230 ball and it zipped right though the clothes and did much more penetration/damage to the books.

Those were my results THEN and while not that scientific told me that in those cases ball was the way to go THEN! Today with the ammo now available what was back then might not hold!
 
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No chance the HP can pass through & hit some bystander like the ball ammo? If so a law should be enacted to mandate HP's.
No chance? No.

A lot less chance? Absolutely.

And if it does come out the other side, it's going to be going a lot slower and and have less chance of penetrating to a lethal depth.
 
I use only ball ammo.

Never felt the need for more.

Have shot three whitetail with ball ammo, 45acp. One round did make full penetration. The three bullets I recovered looked as if they had been squeezed in a vice approximately to 3/4 inch. Jacket fractured.

Pros and cons for whatever you shoot

A prosecuting attorney screaming hollow point!

Ball is more than adequate.
 
I have and still carry both ball and hp.My little lcp usually has ball for penetration and I have had a few hp rounds be slow to chamber or hang up and I have to push the slide forward.
I do not daily carry my 1911 in .45 so I can't comment on that.Some of the short barreled 9mm and .380 pistols I conceal are loaded with ball right now.A larger frame or bigger caliber semi auto/revolver I would more than likely use a hollow point.
 
No chance the HP can pass through & hit some bystander like the ball ammo? If so a law should be enacted to mandate HP's.

As Cmort666: less velocity, less energy, less likely to penetrate.
Of 3 people shot with a 380 ball, 2 were in chest and exited the back, the third was stopped by the spine.
I do not believe we should have any laws governing our carry ammo, I believe that NJ prohibits hollow points for self defense outside of the home for civilian and active LEO, though I did not check that fact today.
regalsc: Back to the original question- why would you want greater penetration? I mean no disrespect with question, you may have other/new information that could benefit my self or others. Be Safe,
 
The military still must carry ball in war and it gets the job done but the general consensus of combat veterans is they would much rather have hollow points. I always thought it ironic that military law enforcement could shoot hollow points at Americans but had to swap their ammo out to ball ammo for shooting at the enemy when they entered a war zone.

Three reasons; ball ammo is cheaper, feeds more reliably, and has better penetration. The advantage of hollowpoints is bigger holes and less penetration(overpenetration being a bigger concern on the civilian side) .

Ball ammo is fine in a .45, it's what I carried until I found Critical Defense and Critical Duty from Hornady because regular hollowpoints don't feed reliably into my 1911. Way I see it, .45 ball always funtioned similar to a hollowpoint in a smaller caliber; it's slow, fat, and makes a big hole.
 
Ball is not too bad, but even Jeff Cooper, who lived mostly in an era when hollow points did not reliably expand at pistol velocities, preferred something other than ball for the .45 ACP. He used plenty of ball ammo, of course, but he preferred the "JTC" or Jacketed Truncated Cone.

If FMJ or ball is all that works in your auto, then I suggest using a different auto for defense, as the premium loads are now better at expanding, which reduces the chance of ricochet and over penetration, both of which can be dangerous to bystanders.

In the photo, the bullet types are Semi-wadcutter, jacketed truncated cone, jacketed hollow point and full metal jacket.
 

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.380 was not the subject of discussion here, but the reason for carrying ball in that caliber is that generally, HPs will not have adequate penetration to pass the modern objective testing protocols. From the front, on a person of reasonable weight, yeah, but from the side, or on the typical overweight American? A lot less likely.

Older 1911 format pistols were made to only function with ball, and many would not work reliably (a minimum of 500 consecutive rounds, preferably more, without a malfunction, without cleaning) with duty ammo (ammo that passes the testing mentioned above). Ball is better than a pencil and harsh language, but does not pass the objective testing. The military's restrictions based on treaties etc, and it's terrible paranoia about firearms are only relevant to those stuck with complying with them.

The 1911 is a great pistol and I spent a lot of time and money to be able to carry one as a duty pistol for several years. However, a duty worthy 1911 will cost several times what a typical M&P or Glock 21 will. Expect to put down at least $2K, and likely closer to $3K for a hard use, duty worthy 1911. For that amount, you can get 2 M&Ps or Glocks, a couple cases of ammo, and a lot of good training.

For those of you who think my standards are unrealistic, they are based on the knowledge of people who forgot more in the time that I took to type this than I will ever know, like Hilton Yam and Gary Roberts. Yam is a full time cop, SWAT trainer, firearms instructor, and gunsmith, and even when he was using, teaching, and working on 1911s, he did not advocate them for many people. He sees a ton of rounds downrange and he has a darned good idea of what does and does not work. Gary is among other things a dental surgeon/professor, a cop and firearms instructor, and the leading ballistics expert after Dr. Fackler (and his successor).
 
1911 carry? Golden Sabre 230gr HP
9mm carry? Federal HS 124gr HP

I am not interested in hitting anyone other than the bad guy, and have seen pass-thru rounds cause severe legal issues for otherwise valid shooters.

Stopping the immediate threat doesn't need to cause a lifetime of litigation.
 
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