Dozen armed with guns protest Obama's speech

[willy]

(1) you are also attempting to absolve yourself of any responsibility regarding the outcome of circumstances that you, yourself, have contributed to.

(2) By any chance are you a member of Congress?



(3). The relinquishing of our rights occurs when we allow people who oppose them to vote them away. Not offending people hardly equates to allowing them to take your rights.




(4)How has open carrying all of the time worked for you?

David

(1)Yes I am denying all responsibility to anything I contributed to.
The same as if I defended myself for walking down the street in certain parts of town that are considered off limits to certain races.


(2)No,, but they do work for me!

(3)Well when people equate guns as bad.
Then it is easy to sway them into thinking that laws limiting them, or out right banning them are easier to pass.
(Notice the difference in public opinion on guns, between MT where guns are seen as no big deal when seen in public ,compared to a gun seen in NY!
It's much easier to pass gun laws in NY.)


(4)I open carry about 40% of the time.
I've had no problems with anyone while the gun was in the open.
The real reason I open carry is because it is more comfortable.

 

[willy]

Willy,
In the world that you inhabit, do you have any magical powers?


Bullseye

Just one!

I can spot a fool a mile away.

Heres looking at ya kid!

 

[MrJT]

Some people just aren't mature enough to see that even though you CAN do something, doesn't mean you need to do it.

 

[MrJT]

Just one!

I can spot a fool a mile away.

Heres looking at ya kid!

Are you by chance standing a mile away from a mirror?

 

[willy]

Are you by chance standing a mile away from a mirror?

That's just sad!
How long did it take you to come up with that one?

What's next?
Maybe something like-- "I know you are but what am I?"

 

[MrJT]

That's just sad!
How long did it take you to come up with that one?

What's next?
Maybe something like-- "I know you are but what am I?"

I figured a childish reply was in store for a childish poster.

 

[Capt Steve]

In the most general terms, I think open carry in public spaces is foolish unless you are in a uniform or passing thru in blaze orange.

Get a ccw and keep it to yourself.

Why advertise to the bad guy: "Hey, when you make your move, get the drop on me and make sure I am the first target to fall, eh? I'll be distracted by the cashier in just a moment..."

When most gun-owners conceal carry, they see their firearm as a defensive weapon and nobody's business but their own: they generally do not see it as an offensive weapons intended to openly intimidate or express power...

I like it when law-abiding cc-ers go about their business without making other folks uncomfortable or drawing attention to themselves; staying in yellow and knowing their surroundings; ready to protect their lives if needed, but prefer getting their family home safe with no incident...

Very well stated sir! +10
The folks that went to the event openly (and yes, legally armed), were trying to provoke a reaction and they succeeded. That reaction has consequences, perhaps unintended but I think not. Was there any legitimate reason/threat that necessitated their being so armed? Again I think not. These folks don't speak for me but every gun owner got tarred with their brush. I just don't see the need to wave a gun in the general public's face as a demonstration of RTKBA. Just seems counter productive to me.

 

[Bullseye 2620]

What's Next?

Willy,

As the day has worn on, you've come to sound more reasonable. Must be time to up my medication.

We really have strayed pretty far afield from the original topic of this thread and need to get things back on track, so how's this: I’ll try being nicer if you’ll try being smarter.


Bullseye

 

[willy]

Very well stated sir! +10
. Was there any legitimate reason/threat that necessitated their being so armed? .

Is there ever a legitimate reason/threat to be armed, concealed or open?

 

[willy]

Willy,

As the day has worn on, you've come to sound more reasonable. Must be time to up my medication.

We really have strayed pretty far afield from the original topic of this thread and need to get things back on track, so how's this: I’ll try being nicer if you’ll try being smarter.


Bullseye

No need to try being nicer.
Just try growing a backbone and stand behind your words when mouthing off.

Maybe try to reply with an answer when asked a question instead of your cute little ("my grandpa stories")
BTW- You asked me if I had any magical powers.
I do have another one.
If you tell me which side of the family grandpa with the pig story is on.
I can tell which of your parents can't sing.

 

[Amy May]

Is there ever a legitimate reason/threat to be armed, concealed or open?

Is there EVER a reason? Seriously?

If you need reasons, I'm sure everyone here can produce plenty.

 

[willy]

Is there EVER a reason? Seriously?

If you need reasons, I'm sure everyone here can produce plenty.

Exactly!
I was being sarcastic.
Sorry,, but I get that way at times.

 

[Capt Steve]

Is there ever a legitimate reason/threat to be armed, concealed or open?

Of course there are, one recent example: I went to meet an unknown alleged seller of a camp trailer carrying $7,000 in cash. While I don't carry (concealed), all the time you can bet I was carrying that day. Lots of folks have been robbed in similar scenarios. Turns out the seller was 6' 7" police officer. We met at the Walmart parking lot to do our business. He commended me on my being legally armed and recommended that I do it more often. BTW: he and his bride were on their way to a wedding after our meet and his 45 Glock was on the right hip, backup magazine on the left and what looked to be a BUG was on his left ankle.

Getting back to the original thread I fail to see the need to bring the weapons openly/legally carried to this event. Their presence was not for protection from any legitimate threat but to be provocative. In this endeavor they succeeded.

 

[willy]

Of course there are, one recent example: I went to meet an unknown alleged seller of a camp trailer carrying $7,000 in cash. While I don't carry (concealed), all the time you can bet I was carrying that day. Lots of folks have been robbed in similar scenarios. Turns out the seller was 6' 7" police officer. We met at the Walmart parking lot to do our business. He commended me on my being legally armed and recommended that I do it more often. BTW: he and his bride were on their way to a wedding after our meet and his 45 Glock was on the right hip, backup magazine on the left and what looked to be a BUG was on his left ankle.

Getting back to the original thread I fail to see the need to bring the weapons openly/legally carried to this event. Their presence was not for protection from any legitimate threat but to be provocative. In this endeavor they succeeded.

As stated in previous post ,,I was being sarcastic,
I do know there is a reason to carry -ALL THE TIME--
I go by the -It's better to have it and not need it ,than need it and not have it--mind set.

 

[Capt Steve]

Willy, sorry if I missed your sarcasm. This thread has wandered and it is hard to tell the players without a scorecard. Just tossing in my 2 cents worth. While I will take heat from some I do not feel the need to carry "all" of the time. I do however have a piece (truck gun, house gun etc.), within reach "most" of the time.

 

[willy]

Willy, sorry if I missed your sarcasm. This thread has wandered and it is hard to tell the players without a scorecard. Just tossing in my 2 cents worth. While I will take heat from some I do not feel the need to carry "all" of the time. I do however have a piece (truck gun, house gun etc.), within reach "most" of the time.

The other part of (most) the time can be fatal sometime.
Be careful!

 

[shortranger]

(1)Yes I am denying all responsibility to anything I contributed to.
The same as if I defended myself for walking down the street in certain parts of town that are considered off limits to certain races.

Would you openly carry when you walk down one of those streets considered off limits to certain races? Would you then deny any responsibility for whatever might happen when you did that?

(2)No,, but they do work for me!

Minor correction: they do not work for you, they work for you and the rest of their consituents, some of whom are the people you are offending by carrying a gun to a political meeting.

(3)Well when people equate guns as bad.
Then it is easy to sway them into thinking that laws limiting them, or out right banning them are easier to pass.
(Notice the difference in public opinion on guns, between MT where guns are seen as no big deal when seen in public ,compared to a gun seen in NY!
It's much easier to pass gun laws in NY.)

When you have a group of people who are afraid of guns, how do you make them less afraid by making them more afraid? It is one thing to take hoplophobes one by one to the range and acclimate them to firearms (assuming that they will talk to you at all); it is quite another to wander around among them displaying the very thing that frightens them. They aren't going to think the gun is okay because you are but they will think that you are not okay because the gun isn't.

You can't apply logic to group-think.

(4)I open carry about 40% of the time.
I've had no problems with anyone while the gun was in the open.
The real reason I open carry is because it is more comfortable.

Why don't you open carry all of the time?

David

 

[BarbC]

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Otherwise known as "Winning the battle but losing the war."

 

[willy]

(1)Would you openly carry when you walk down one of those streets considered off limits to certain races? Would you then deny any responsibility for whatever might happen when you did that?



(2)Minor correction: they do not work for you, they work for you and the rest of their consituents, some of whom are the people you are offending by carrying a gun to a political meeting.



(3)When you have a group of people who are afraid of guns, how do you make them less afraid by making them more afraid? It is one thing to take hoplophobes one by one to the range and acclimate them to firearms (assuming that they will talk to you at all); it is quite another to wander around among them displaying the very thing that frightens them. They aren't going to think the gun is okay because you are but they will think that you are not okay because the gun isn't.

You can't apply logic to group-think.




(4)Why don't you open carry all of the time?

David

(1)Yes I would open carry, infact there were times I did while working.
People in the area knew I was carrying large sums of money but they also could see that I was armed.(never a problem.)
This was before CCW was legal in my state.


(2)If it's my right to do it and it offends anyone then they can leave or look the other way.
The same as me when I'm offended by rights that are extended to immoral and disgusting groups that try to force their agendas down our throats.
I have the option to leave or look the other way!

(3)No you are completely wrong.
You don't teach someone who is scared of the water how to swim by standing them in a bucket of water.
You put them in water up to their neck, where they can see there is no danger of drowning when all they have to do is stand up.
The same with guns.
When FL decided to issue CCW years back, people thought it was going to result in shootouts at high noon in the streets.
Didn't happen.
Now CCW is legal in most states because people seen it worked, and the public KNOWS the numbers of CCW's are growing.
I don't see mass demostrations calling for the banning of CCW.
People got use to it.

(4)Sometimes it's eaiser to just drop a gun in a pocket when out and about, instead of putting on a belt and holster.

 

[Capt Steve]

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Otherwise known as "Winning the battle but losing the war."

Barb, I have never heard that interpretation and frankly it doesn't make much sense to me but opinions vary.