REM 3200
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This is my home range also. The board of directors is looking at other ways to return the center fire rifle ranges to the old schedule of daylight to dark/365.
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This is my home range also. The board of directors is looking at other ways to return the center fire rifle ranges to the old schedule of daylight to dark/365.
Local ranges are slim to none. There is a range run by the Wildlife & Fisheries some 60 miles away. I typically have to shoot at my brother's place about 180 miles away. It's shoot here or not at all. That is one reasons I shoot pellet rifle. The moto of our state is "Sportsman's Paradise, provided you don't shoot"
By practicing warning shots.
Gunslinger808
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The things I saw when instructing at Glynco.
I still have flashbacks to some of them!
I still have flashbacks to some of them!
Rastoff
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Actually it's quite common. It is the result of two things; bravado and inexperience. Bravado because, "I'm a man. I don't need no instruction!" and inexperience because they're not ready for the recoil.
When I take a new shooter to the range (never fired before), the first shots are taken with only one round in the magazine. They have no idea how the gun will recoil and only a little bit of trigger control through some dry firing we did just prior to live firing.
If the shooter doesn't trap the trigger back as the gun recoils, they can accidentally press the trigger again. Thus, the first shot goes on the target and the second into the ceiling. If you give them a full mag, the third, forth, fifth and so on, can go in completely random directions. Yes, I've seen that at my local range. We even have at least one hole in the cover at the pistol range. It is directly above the shooting station. So, yeah, even closer than 3 yards.
I refuse to use indoor ranges, and I refuse shoot at outdoor ranges with folks I don't know. Neither one of them are too safe in my opinion, so I skip them both. I do shoot a bunch though, just not under those circumstances.
pmosley
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This is exactly why I buy guns just to fondle and look at them!
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You know; the backstop sand pit and it's catch shield are designed to deflect the ammo so it is least likely to come straight back toward the shooters.
No- really. I have remodeled a range, and was instructed very specifically how to set up the backstop, and why.
Ever wonder why- with so many hundreds of rounds an hour at an indoor range you really never hear a zinger going over your shoulder??? It's not by accident.
As such, the ceiling is a depository for the rounds which were squirrely and feeling their nuts. Better the ceiling than YOU. It's also worth noting that you do not have rounds kicking down and into the floor- which would send all kinds of mayhem ammo in your general direction.
It's not cheap to replace the ceilings, as they are usually a soft, thick material designed to be acoustic in nature, not really designed in most cases to be a bullet-catch. Which means they do not last long in many cases once they are subjected to lots of abuse beyond their original intended use. So; after a while, a range can get run down and look shabby, like anything else. While I understand a rental shop space in Conroe Tx. might be rather affordable..... I bet the owner of the shop does not make a fortune running a firing range. And conversely..... in Los Angeles, rents are sky-high, and regulations are oppressive..... so making a good living with a range here is a near impossibility. So take it in stride, and be glad there is a place to go shoot in winter when it's too snotty and cold to shoot outside.
No- really. I have remodeled a range, and was instructed very specifically how to set up the backstop, and why.
Ever wonder why- with so many hundreds of rounds an hour at an indoor range you really never hear a zinger going over your shoulder??? It's not by accident.
As such, the ceiling is a depository for the rounds which were squirrely and feeling their nuts. Better the ceiling than YOU. It's also worth noting that you do not have rounds kicking down and into the floor- which would send all kinds of mayhem ammo in your general direction.
It's not cheap to replace the ceilings, as they are usually a soft, thick material designed to be acoustic in nature, not really designed in most cases to be a bullet-catch. Which means they do not last long in many cases once they are subjected to lots of abuse beyond their original intended use. So; after a while, a range can get run down and look shabby, like anything else. While I understand a rental shop space in Conroe Tx. might be rather affordable..... I bet the owner of the shop does not make a fortune running a firing range. And conversely..... in Los Angeles, rents are sky-high, and regulations are oppressive..... so making a good living with a range here is a near impossibility. So take it in stride, and be glad there is a place to go shoot in winter when it's too snotty and cold to shoot outside.
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BTHG
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Our local 24/7 range has security cameras and is in good shape. We are just a few miles from former GE Plastics world headquarters (now Sabic) so we have a serious amount of Lexan lining the ceiling and protecting the lighting.
HOUSTON RICK
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There is a public range in an old warehouse in the Ship Channel area here in town, it has always looked like it was a vandalized industrial wasteland, and run by polite but large menacing looking guys, but has prices to match, I like it.
Arik
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The ranges I go to don't have a RO but it also doesn't look like that. Not even close. Could it be water damage from a leaky roof?
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UN-POSSIBLE. All that damage was caused by an individual with a 22. cal 1911 style gat bladed at 45 as he 'threw' the bullets downrange.
It's ALWAYS other peoples' kids who do this kinda stuff.
Quit using common sense before I report you to HandEjector for some discipline..................
george minze
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When i was last there i was told along with the entire class that rounds were landing at some trailer park .....That was the only time in about five visits i had heard of that occurring ....
Doug M.
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Don't feel bad. I recently heard a story from an instructor with a government entity who when doing remedial work with a horrible shooter and stressing watching the front sight, he found her shooting a rifle from the hip with front sight in her field of view. Whomever was the original instructor (she had in fact passed other training to be at this point) should have been introduced to severe percussive maintenance.
Whomever was the original instructor (she had in fact passed other training to be at this point) should have been introduced to severe percussive maintenance.
Rastoff
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You know, normally I would agree with you, but sometimes it's the student.
I'm a firm believer in the concept that there are no bad students, only bad instructors. Even so, a student who is doing what you describe is clearly beyond the average level of incompetence. I have no doubt that her response would have been, "But, instructor X told me to focus on the front sight!" She just forgot the part about lining it up with the rear.
I actually heard an exchange once. A new worker was filling out a form incorrectly and was being corrected by his supervisor. The new worker said, "Well, this is how [Rastoff] told me to do it." To my great satisfaction the supervisor replied, "No, he didn't. I know [Rastoff] and he wouldn't tell you to do it this way. Fix it." Sometimes students just don't remember all that you tell them. This is the failing of taking only one class and why continuous training is valuable.
Doug M.
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A long gun shot from the hip would be the first clue to me.
I am a member of a conservation club in our area. Nice facility in that there are several handgun bays as well as long gun range. Also the membership cost is very reasonable.
Only issue is the how some members treat the equipment. The club attempts to provide target stands, gongs, etc. But it has become nearly impossible to provide these because they are so miss treated. Gongs are regularly destroyed because someone has shot them wiht high powered rifles, even when the gongs are in the pistol bays. Target stands are shredded. And people can't seem to find the trash cans, even though they may have just shot holes in it.
Club has considered installing cameras in an attempt to catch the perps. Access has been via a locked gate. They are planning to go keyless card entry in order to record who comes in.
It sickens me to think people treat things this way. Do their homes/cars get treated this way? No, don't tell me, already know they probably do.
Only issue is the how some members treat the equipment. The club attempts to provide target stands, gongs, etc. But it has become nearly impossible to provide these because they are so miss treated. Gongs are regularly destroyed because someone has shot them wiht high powered rifles, even when the gongs are in the pistol bays. Target stands are shredded. And people can't seem to find the trash cans, even though they may have just shot holes in it.
Club has considered installing cameras in an attempt to catch the perps. Access has been via a locked gate. They are planning to go keyless card entry in order to record who comes in.
It sickens me to think people treat things this way. Do their homes/cars get treated this way? No, don't tell me, already know they probably do.
The sad part is that they usually don't treat their own stuff that way. It's not theirs and that's why they treat it with a total lack of respect.
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