* * Ebola Discussion

Would some of you guys cool it a little? I'm sitting here in Dallas at pretty much Ground Zero and we have other members here.

Some of these comments are uncalled for and just add stress to what we're already dealing with. Believe me, the press is having a field day here with this newest case. The guy wanting to sell his cemetery plots is correct: dead Ebola patients are cremated. You won't be able to make a profit off of us if we lose more people to this horror.

The new patient is a woman who lived alone in an apartment not too far from where Nina Pham lives. This morning, the police and fire dept. decontaminated her door and the common areas outside her apartment.
Later today, her car and the interior of her apt. will also be disinfected. She does not have a pet. I hope that she has apartment/renter's insurance to replace her belongings that will probably have to be destroyed. Think about how that affects these people.

This area of town has many health workers employed at Presbyterian Hospital. I'm just praying that we'll see no further cases of Ebola and that these two women will recover.

There was a press conference here this AM that pre-empted the Today show. Judge Jenkins said that Nina Pham passed a good night and that her condition has been upgraded to "good."

I imagine that before long, we'll learn the name of this second patient and further details. What we have now is that she reported immediately to the hospital on having a fever and that samples of her blood (or whatever they test) were sent to a lab in Austin and that shortly after midnight, it was confirmed that she does have Ebola. Another sample will be sent to CDC for a second opinion, but no one doubts that she has the disease.

Please keep in mind what we here on the scene are enduring and don't make cruel posts that you wouldn't want someone in Dallas to make if it was your city that was affected.
 
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You should be fine in Dallas. It is looking like mistakes at the hospital caused the infections, not any new means of transmission. None of Duncan's family and friends have taken ill. Staff exposure may have taken place when they incubated Duncan. Unless you are a worker who treated Duncan, a close associate of his, or a sexual partner there of, you have virtually no chance of getting ebola.

Though I am sure quite a few people have made money via selling things to allay fears. I bought a few Tychem suits myself.
 
I am surprised Dallas has not been cut off from the rest of the state. Much easier to contain now than when it starts appearing in other Texas cities. Has the mayor or governor mentioned anything about travel restrictions in and out of Dallas yet. Could be prudent. Not pc, but better safe than sorry. Can't wait for the feds to take action. Could declare state of emergency to handle situation properly. Will Texans wait for mayor and governor to do what should be done or take matters into their own hands?


Just what are you proposing, counselor? That we burn our neighborhoods and ourselves? :mad: :rolleyes:
 
So now another ebola infection, another nurse. So how many of her friends are they watching? Let's see, they were in contact with 76 from the first nurse so...
 
So now another ebola infection, another nurse. So how many of her friends are they watching? Let's see, they were in contact with 76 from the first nurse so...

The nurses were on the same team, so probably had largely the same contacts. No idea how many the second nurse knew outside of the hospital, though.
 
Yes but the news just said she took a flight on frontier airlines and may have infected others.
 
The nurses were on the same team, so probably had largely the same contacts. No idea how many the second nurse knew outside of the hospital, though.

Only very intimate contacts are likely at risk. I followed the news closely of the cluster in Nigeria. No casual contacts of those healthcare workers infected got sick. None of those who cared for Duncan at home got sick (yet). No one on the planes, no one in the apartment.
 
Only very intimate contacts are likely at risk. I followed the news closely of the cluster in Nigeria. No casual contacts of those healthcare workers infected got sick. None of those who cared for Duncan at home got sick (yet). No one on the planes, no one in the apartment.

Hope you are right.
 
You would think they would have quarantined the doctors and nurses for 21 days after they handled Duncan. I have no faith in their ability to contain the virus.
Agree with you! we have the same problem here in France......one contaminated nurse is alwright now, but the rest of the team (doctor, nurses...) are in survey for at least two weeks more!!
 
You would think they would have quarantined the doctors and nurses for 21 days after they handled Duncan. I have no faith in their ability to contain the virus.

this and the Dallas Dingbat nurse I saw on the news last night in her protective gear.
Omahas bio containment unit mandates a positive pressure suit.
This chicks hair was sticking out.
The knowledge is NOT where we need it.
 
Just found out the current nurse in Dallas that tested positive spent 5 days in Akron visiting family. The $&@/ gonna hit the fan up here!
 
Anyone else ever seen this? The effort is to explain how fission works, contamination can work similarly. The only way to stop the reaction is to eliminate mousetraps. Meaning effective isolation and decontamination.

Think of the red ping pong ball as Patient Zero.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqIJW_Qr3c

This thing can and will be stopped, but only through effective controls. The best cure is prevention, and that means stopping Patient Zero from ever entering the environment. We still have time, but those clowns in Washington or the clowns running the airlines need to get proactive on this.
 
this and the Dallas Dingbat nurse I saw on the news last night in her protective gear.
Omahas bio containment unit mandates a positive pressure suit.
This chicks hair was sticking out.
The knowledge is NOT where we need it.

No problem... Don't worry, be happy.

The CDC Chief says no headgear is even required.:rolleyes:

KELLY: OK. But when I look at the CDC's website, it says that when you're putting on the protective gear as the medical personnel, and you know that the nurses have come out and complained that in some of these hospitals, they're just posting it on the bulletin board. "Hey, check the CDC's website to figure out how to deal with Ebola." And the nurses are saying, "Really? A life and death matter for me? This is insufficient."  

But I looked at the website and it says, you are only supposed to wear one pair of gloves. And it says, you don't have to cover your head, you know, head gear, head cover, and you don't have to cover your feet. Now, wouldn't you admit that that is insufficient?

FRIEDEN: No. We know how Ebola spreads. It spreads by direct contact. And you know, sometimes more isn't better. You put on more layers, you put on more things, they're harder to get on. They're harder to get off.  

KELLY: Really?

FRIEDEN: Yes, really.

KELLY: You would go into a highly infected Ebola patient's room without covering your head, with only wearing one pair of gloves and with your feet exposed? You would do that?

CDC director defends Ebola response: 'Our information is clear and correct' | Fox News
 
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It seems that everything that's done so far is reactive and not proactive.
Sort of like closing the corral gate after the horse's get out. Way to go hospital staff, way to go CDC & way to go Illustrious leaders. :mad:
 
that one needs to be brought up on charges if he don't resign.
Going with some of the stuff WHO has to say, against what he says are two different worlds.
he won't even listen to those who have been there accumulating data.
While I detest the UN and its organizations, WHO seems to hold up better against logical evaluation.

This from WHO.
Key facts

Ebola virus disease (EVD), formerly known as Ebola haemorrhagic fever, is a severe, often fatal illness in humans.
The virus is transmitted to people from wild animals and spreads in the human population through human-to-human transmission.
The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks.
The first EVD outbreaks occurred in remote villages in Central Africa, near tropical rainforests, but the most recent outbreak in west Africa has involved major urban as well as rural areas.
Community engagement is key to successfully controlling outbreaks. Good outbreak control relies on applying a package of interventions, namely case management, surveillance and contact tracing, a good laboratory service, safe burials and social mobilisation.
Early supportive care with rehydration, symptomatic treatment improves survival. There is as yet no licensed treatment proven to neutralise the virus but a range of blood, immunological and drug therapies are under development.
There are currently no licensed Ebola vaccines but 2 potential candidates are undergoing evaluation.

This from the CDC
Ebola, previously known as Ebola hemorrhagic fever, is a rare and deadly disease caused by infection with one of the Ebola virus strains. Ebola can cause disease in humans and nonhuman primates (monkeys, gorillas, and chimpanzees).

Ebola is caused by infection with a virus of the family Filoviridae, genus Ebolavirus. There are five identified Ebola virus species, four of which are known to cause disease in humans: Ebola virus (Zaire ebolavirus); Sudan virus (Sudan ebolavirus); Taï Forest virus (Taï Forest ebolavirus, formerly Côte d'Ivoire ebolavirus); and Bundibugyo virus (Bundibugyo ebolavirus). The fifth, Reston virus (Reston ebolavirus), has caused disease in nonhuman primates, but not in humans.

Ebola viruses are found in several African countries. Ebola was first discovered in 1976 near the Ebola River in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Since then, outbreaks have appeared sporadically in Africa.

The natural reservoir host of Ebola virus remains unknown. However, on the basis of evidence and the nature of similar viruses, researchers believe that the virus is animal-borne and that bats are the most likely reservoir. Four of the five virus strains occur in an animal host native to Africa.

Side by side, Im sorry, but the UN has better and more useful information.
 
Thinking they should route all people coming here from infected countries to DC airports with a 10 day layover before they are allowed to move on. LOL LOL
 
She probably shouldn't have been traveling, but I don't think the virus can be transmitted until after the patient becomes symptomatic. I'll double check that.

Just found out the current nurse in Dallas that tested positive spent 5 days in Akron visiting family. The $&@/ gonna hit the fan up here!
 
Thinking they should route all people coming here from infected countries to DC airports with a 10 day layover before they are allowed to move on. LOL LOL

At first blush, its an excellent idea.
But there is a reason for the treason, probably leading while under the influence.
The drug runners would have it nation wide in 3 days:p
 

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