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They fit right in with the joke that is TSA screening. It's all a dog and pony show to demonstrate that the government is on top of things when they are really clueless.

Biginge said:
If I were a couple hours out from Dulles and didn't feel well (low grade fever) and took a couple of Tylenol wouldn't I pass temp check upon screening check? These "safeguards" are somewhat nieve at best.
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GaryS said:
It's not the number, it's the capability. The first nurse probably should have been flown as well. Emory has the facility (now) and the expertise (now).

Notice that no one that treated the doctor there has become infected.

The take home is that not all hospitals are created equal.
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Right. I was being a bit sarcastic earlier, but for purposes of this discussion capability = capacity. Still, if Dallas is expected to have the expertise to handle the case they have... hmmm.

I wonder how well Atlanta would do with someone like Duncan just wandering in the front door. So far, Atlanta has known ahead of time and patients brought in under controlled conditions. Hopefully we'll never know.
 
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Another point I'd like to bring up. The ONLY reason you should not go to the polls and vote in November is if you even suspect that you have the ebola virus.

NOTHING ELSE SHOULD STAND IN YOUR WAY. TOO MUCH IS AT STAKE, FOLKS.

John
 
Airline and hotel reservations were reported to be down 63%,

That'll help the non existent recovery.

CNN had an interview with the Joint Chief of Staff concerning Ebola

I thought that was interesting.

Hospital was apologizing for missing the original diagnosis, that will

mollify the personal injury attorneys for sure.

Second nurse was visiting Tallmadge Ohio, an Akron Suburb.

I heard she was a 2008 Kent State nurse graduate.
 
bad news folks. doctors in belgium have proved that the virus has mutated into a digital form. this virus is now able to travel via cell phone and inside of data packets on computer networks.
 
And now we have an Ohio connection with possible exposure at Kent State.
 
There's a guy on the news in Chicago that trades on the stock market floor. Apparently he's an authority on what drives the market. This morning he says the recent drop in the market will continue until at least the middle of next week. The drop is tied to the anticipated Ebola financial effect on business (airlines, shopping, dining out, sports events, and any where peopple gather) should the disease spread. Maybe it's obvious to eveybody, but I never thought of that aspect.
 
Fear and uncertainty impact markets. This Ebola thing atop of Europe and China slowing isn't good. If we would just take action on banning travel from affected areas that would help give the market some confidence that containment efforts, Flu season false alarms and consumer fear in the US won't spin out of control. If airline and hotel reservations are tanking by the percentages mentioned above (source?) then it's already spinning out of control.
 
End of the month sees WWE Hell in a Cell take place in Dallas. They usually manage a sell out or at least a large gathering. Plus all the performers and staff who will be in town. These same performers and staff will go on to tour the nation and world with more packed crowds, autograph sessions, etc.

Just something to keep an eye on in terms of the paranoia radar.

Today the Liberian government announced an urgent need for 85,000 body bags in the near term.

By my count everyone of European extraction who was healthy to start with and received first world care in a timely manner has survived (in this outbreak). The two Spanish priests who died were old and said to have arrived nearly dead.

Aside from the inherited immunity theory, I wonder at the role underlying conditions play in the high mortality in Africa. Malaria for example is a very common disease in Liberia. I wonder if anyone has thought to study what role this plays. Common sense would suggest that a well fed and healthy person ought have a better chance against a disease than someone with nutritional deficiencies and other health problems.

I also saw an article claiming half the infections in Africa could be traced to funeral practices. Since we do not, as a rule, have the same rituals requiring personal handling of the deceased here in the United States, that is worth noting in terms of potential spread.

Something else to consider...people were found in Guinea who had ebola antibodies but never became ill. While good news in that not everyone will get sick who has the virus, the bad news is that this would suggest the possibility of asymptomatic human carriers. Thus taking temperatures of those felt to be exposed may not be quite enough to guarantee public safety.
 
Traveler; "Hi, I have a fever and don't feel well at all - Is it OK for me to fly on a commercial flight?"
CDC official; "Sure. What could possibly go wrong?"

I'm doing my part - I'm staying home.
 
Kinman said:
Complancency will be our undoing...Both cases have had people coming into this country from Africa with temperatures either passed through an airport or sent home from the hospital. Coming in from Africa even after a stop somewhere else with a temperature over 98.6 regardless, should land you in isolation for three weeks...call me over-reactive if you like all day long. I thought is especially irritating that a health care worker with a "low grade" fever of 99 was not at all alarmed and possibly passed hers onto others in the process. If they don't stay on top of this **** we'll end up decimating hundreds if not thousands wholesale when it hits epidemic size. Isolation wards won't cut it when and if it gets that one little jump that will lead towards a quantem leap.
I'm of the minority opinion that if it weren't for these little hiccups in our world history there wouldn't be any room today, call it Darwinism or whatever you want. There are those of us that had ancestors that were resistant to the Black Plague that then passed those genes down to those of us today that are resistant to the B.P. Some of us today may be resistant to the Ebola Virus and should there be a mass epidemic they will survive, who knows it may be a good thing in the world view, less carbon entering the atmosphere, less demand on commerical agriculture, the world could be a better place without those that aren't resistant, for those of us that buy the farm, consider it a gift to those that remain, we leave so that they may have a better world...just think maybe they will learn to live together in some kind of peace and harmony....ya think?
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This am it was reported that she was, " less than candid ", with the CDC when she called. If that is a fact, when and if she recovers she should ben charged criminally if she did lie. It's my humble opinion the CDC is full of Buffalo Bagels OR LYING to us. I can see the Chief, Frieden is nothing more than a political hack and a boob. STOP the inbound flights. Period.
 
The ability of Ebola to remain alive in semen for 90 days AFTER symptoms & actual ill health subside will be tough to deal with.
 
DeadAye said:
Traveler; "Hi, I have a fever and don't feel well at all - Is it OK for me to fly on a commercial flight?"
CDC official; "Sure. What could possibly go wrong?"

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How many times has the CDC repeated...

"We know how to contain Ebola"

"We have proven protocols in place"

:rolleyes:
 
I think it is odd still that a person on the "watch" or "self-monitor" would travel at all.


I will not jump to any crazy over-reacting conclusions----but---in some things you just be the most conservative-----we are talking about lives----and if many people starting falling victim---I am not sure our medical abilities CAN handle it----so----be very tough for a while.

Those people who have been around Duncan do not need to travel as if everything is ok---Nor do they need to go to Central Market and sneeze on my tomatoes---and---their kids should stay home from school.

Also---if they have boyfriend and girlfriends---well......

Also, no more incoming from Africa until further notice.
 
My wife and I were working in New Haven this morning when we got word someone is in New Haven being watched for Ebola after coming back from of all places Liberia.

I was going to go to a governors debate tonight but I'm done going out except when I have to.
 
I was reading that an average of 150 people from the Ebola ravaged areas arrive each day.

Fear not, the CDC has a fail proof scheme. Upon arrival, we're going to ask them for contact information and that they check their own temperature every day. What could go wrong?
 
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