EBRs: I don't get no satisfaction

[m657]

went to local dealers today; almost no 308 anything except 1 Rooger Scout Rifle for $699 "only 40 rounds thru it".....liked it a lot but way too much like my favorite International 308.

Everybody has EBRs coming out of every orifice here. And tons of old bolt rifles.

I can't find a SoCom anywhere local.

Somehow those FALs seem like steroidal EBRs.

Sebago Son: appreciate the photos. You got the same 'enhanced tactical t-shirt' that I wear....
How'd that 1911 magazine work out for ya?

Still looking, Dear Abby....

 

[bushmaster1313]

What's not to love?

(NJ legal XM15-E2S: fixed stock, 16.5" unthreaded barrel, and no bayonet lug, flash suppressor, grenade launcher, flamethrower, plasma beam, disrupter, phaser, atomic accelerator or death ray)

 

[Sebago Son]

Sebago Son: appreciate the photos. You got the same 'enhanced tactical t-shirt' that I wear....
How'd that 1911 magazine work out for ya?

Cosmo,

Yup, note how that bulge in the front covers my layered body armor....

That magazine is tucked nicely into the butt of that 1918 manufactured 1911. Perfect. Was one of the best deals I've made this year... (or was it last?)...

Drew

 

[williamlayton]

The best cure for a lonely heart is another lonely heart.
Having been in the doledrums a time or two in my life and not careing to experience another useless hangover I found my solution in pawn shops.
I just want a no frills relationship when in these moods so I just pick me up a cheap little .22 that only wants to be held.
Love those fast little semi-auto rifles whose only desire is to dance with you. They can get the blood flowing and make you forget your last love lost.
Blessings

 

[amazingflapjack]

If the "exhaust" goes back into the chamber area, I don't want it, what ever caliber it's in, but if its a .223/5.56, I don't want it anyway. If you must have one, I'd suggest one of the emerging group that are gas cylinder opperated, as opposed to "direct impingement." As to accuracy in AK's etc, not all of them are created equal, some are down right scarry accurate. There are some good right ups available, along with what Col. Cooper said regarding the 5.56. Go safely. Flapjack.

 

[jdh]

amazingflapjack,

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain something to me. I hear this exhaust in the chamber mantra all the time. Please explain to me exactly how the AR pattern rifles accomplish this amazing feat. Just how to they inject propellent gases into chamber?

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Skip the 5.56's, buy a good FAL, and feel immortal.

Honestly, there may be some question as to whether the FAL is the best battle rifle ever made, but it FEELS better than anything else. Also, it doesn't recoil much. When I look up that new-fangled word "ergonomic" in my Funk & Wagnalls, there's a picture of an FN LAR (American for commercial FAL).

 

[Deacon-KC]

I understand where you are coming from. tried several but finally did find one I liked, a Galil [Golani] clone. It has great sights and even though it's a varmint caliber, it's a very good little rifle.

 

[MackTech]

I had AK's and SKS' 10-15 years ago, sold them for AR stuff. Had seven AR's and they were ok, wife bought me a Russian Siaga 7.62x39 and I converted it to standard AK stock/grip and love it. Sold all AR'S except for MP 15/22. Only 223 I have is a HB remington varmint rifle. I don't miss the AR's at all. One day I was shooting I below zero weather and every AR I had choked. The Siaga never skipped a beat.

 

[Lee D]

my SOCOM has my Mini/AR guns collecting dust.
burning up a couple hundred rounds in a snubby .308 will definitely put a smile on a guys face.

 

[NKJ nut]

amazingflapjack,

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain something to me. I hear this exhaust in the chamber mantra all the time. Please explain to me exactly how the AR pattern rifles accomplish this amazing feat. Just how to they inject propellent gases into chamber?

No amazing feat to it. And they don't exactly "exhaust" into the chamber. But they do kinda take a dump where they eat. There is no gas piston so the gas simply travels down a gas tube and directly pushes the bolt back after disengaging the locking lugs. This dirties up the action more than a piston gun but if you clean your gun it's no big deal. Other examples of dump where they eat guns would be the G-3/Cetme/HK91, though they have no gas system of any kind. They are simply roller delayed blowback actions. BTW, I am very fond of this latter design and i tend to keep two H&K-91's handy. They are my favorite EBR's

 

[jdh]

The specific statement I am referring to is it puts waste gas "in the chamber". Every proponent of the piston driven AR spouts this same fallacious argument. I want to know exactly how it is done. They cannot explain it because it simply does not happen.

Go back to the picture in post 22. In that picture you see the bolt carrier through the ejection port. Just above the dust cover spring there is a dished out area on the bolt carrier in which are drilled two holes. When the case is fire the propellent gas pushed the bullet down the bore until it passes the gas port. A small portion of the gas goes through the gas port into the gas tube and into the bolt carrier key. The gas then goes into a chamber in the bolt carrier sealed on one end by gas rings on the bolt. The expanding gas is then vented out of the action by way of the two holes previously mentioned.

There is absolutely no way possible for the gas to reenter the chamber. Very little of the gas that exits the barrel through the gas port even enters the action. Once again it is vented out of the bolt carrier through the ejection port and out of the action. The vast majority of the fouling found in the action of the AR gets there the same way it does in the piston driven version. It comes out of the expended cartridge case as it is pulled from the chamber. Carbon particles fall from the case mouth and the outside of the neck/shoulder area and into the locking lugs. Larger chunks are carried farther back into the action where they are broken up and ground into fine dust by the moving parts mixing with the lubricants to get further distributed around the inside of the action. Just like they do in any other semi-automatic, bolt action, lever action, pump action, so on and so forth.

The only area of a direct impingement AR that accumulates carbon from the gas used to work the action to any significant degree is the tail of the bolt and the front inner chamber of the bolt carrier.

 

[5Wire]

4 rounds at 100 yards, Savage 16FCSS (.223 bolt action, sporter barrel) Black Hills 69 grain SMK HPBT. Made me smile.

 

[Marshall 357]

I like 308s too!

 

[zeke]

Dear Abby-will i insult the others ifen picking favorites? Socom open sights or 16 in SA58 for that close up comfy feeling.

Course get a little weak after all that up close loving and need to retire to a more comfortable fully supported (bipod and gut supported prone) longer range relationship out to 500 postal. The sweet little RRA 308 operator fills the bill.

A special bonus for being as politically incorrect as possible, as judged by amount comments/reactions at the range. Especially by some of the hunters who infrequent the range prior to hunting season.
1-that don't look like no hunting rifle
2-that target looks like a siloutte, quick cover up the younguns eyes
3-whadda mean that 308 shouldn't be used in my awe inspiring 300 super duper?

The commonly available semi's have gotten incredibly more accurate over the years, and ain't nothing like playing tunes on the steel at the range, for the musically /culturally inclinated mind ya.

Doesn't mean am not appreciating the levers capability, especially the short ones in carbide die friendly open sighted 44s.

 

[cmort666]

I bought an AR-15 and two uppers (20" and 16") for purely utilitarian purposes.

Back in the '90s, I was getting death threats from neo-Nazis in usenet who didn't like my talking about [among other things] their interest in young boys.

I went to the Medina, Ohio gun show and bought a used Eagle lower and 16" and 20" A-2 uppers from a company called Sherluk. The 16" was always 100% reliable. The 20" needed a little work, but it's now 100%.

I already had a Garand and an Ithaca 12ga., but felt the need for something with a high capacity that could be more easily maneuvered.

Where I lived at the time had limited street access, and unless you were willing to risk getting bogged down in somebody's lawn, you had to zig-zag back and forth across my field of fire, perfect conditions for a light recoilling, large capacity rifle.

Every time I'd go to a gun show, I'd shop for magazines. When I bought the gun, I bought two ammo cans full of 5.56x45mm ball.

I figured that between that AR and my other guns, no matter how things ended, I'd give a good account of myself.

It's going on twenty years later and the big talk stayed exactly that.

I no longer have a place (or the time) to shoot a rifle. My current home is a lousy place to use a rifle for self-defense, so it and the shotgun sit in the safe.

 

[cwo4uscgret]

I think the bottom FAL, a basic Imbel semi-auto kit, will fit in a car or pickup truck. If I changed to a folding stock it would really be compact.

If not, I could use one of my Sterlings; either the carbine or pistol, both using the same 34 round magazines:

 

[Lee D]

very nice collection cwo4

 

[Badkarma 1]

Dear m657;
Brother I know what you mean! I fired all sorts of hi-tech wiz bang stuff while in the Navy. So you'd think I'd have an itch for an M4orgery of an M-14. But alas I just can't warm up to them either cause one doesn't come with the "fun" switch and the other isn't a real 14!
I bought an old M1 and love that thing dearly! If you can see it you can hit it with this old warhorse! But I still needed something for inside 100yds. I tried SKS, AKs, and Minis', then one day I took an old Standard Products M1 Carbine out for some "quality time" and it filled the bill nicely!!
I still want a lever gun just because I think there cool. But the M1 Carbine is this guys go to gun for "goin to the dance"! Dale

 

[Poohgyrr]

M1A's are sweet, but Garands & Levers are Special! Here is a 308 Tanker version that also hits anything you can see, and a 45 LC Trapper. These are fun at the range or in the field. I hope to never need a high cap mag on my own home turf.