Electric Vehicle Stupidity - Update Post 288
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Don't worry, the politicians will be taxing EVs. Do you think they are going to forego the fuel tax?
Pennsylvania just proposed a bill that imposes a flat yearly fee of $290 per EV. I'd imagine most states will do the same.
There will certainly be taxes on the costs at the charging station too.
Add these things to the cost of EV ownership, no doubt.
I would remind you that at that time, Germany was in a war for survival, so anything goes that might help toward that end.
I would remind you also that Hitler did not mandate that all German transportation would be turbo jet powered in 7 years, nor did our government tell us a hundred years ago that we all had to use Henry Ford products. Both became viable through value considerations of the marketplace.
Our PTB are trying to mandate total EV, no ICE by 2030, without careful analyisis of how that might (or cannot) be accomplished.
Please stop jumping around spouting unrelated anecdotes and give us some hard facts with steps, timetables and costs for the whole conversion process, mine to manufacturing to usage to scrap heap for EVs. I believe we here on this forum are not against the vehicle per se, but are skeptical of its readiness for prime time and resent it being shoved down our throats without honest data to justify that at this time.
As I recall the Jumo was first used in 1938, when Germany.wasn't in survival, and/or wouldn't be in survival until after 1943…
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A thread on another non-firearm Hawaii forum on a Nissan Leaf owners trials: Nissan Leaf Battery Replacement Alternative To Dealer?
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Development started ~1938-39, but first test flight as a propulsion unit was not until ~1942 on an ME-262, and it was not put into production until 1944. Germany was in deep doo-doo by then, and once again, unlike EVs, that technological milestone of an engine was NOT MANDATED to replace all ICEs by a date certain.
On this subject: ameridaddy out.
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It's not mandated for the US Military either! The only vehicles within the US Military to be Electrified are those performing secondary and tertiary roles, of a non combatants (i.e. sedan cars, pickup truck, delivery trucks, etc.)…
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It is.
5. Battery Capacity
This problem wasn't overly widespread, although there were enough Nissan Leaf customers complaining about it we thought we should mention it.
It's important to note the battery capacity issues were only really mentioned on the 2011 model years. 7 Most Common Problems With Nissan Leaf (Explained) - Engine Patrol
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Come back when you have to actually replace your battery. I doubt you will, but I'll listen. Word on the street is that it approaches $10,000
Not my car, but the Leaf battery replacement cost is $5,500 to $9,500, parts and labor. Updated: Electric Car Battery Replacement Costs in 2023
Battery replacements are still rare so up-to-date data on costs can be difficult to find. In our community of 15,000 EV drivers, the rate of battery failure is only 1.5%. The chart below shows the likelihood of needing a battery replacement, based on our data. Note that the Chevrolet Bolt and Hyundai Kona EV had much higher rates of battery replacements due to widespread manufacturer's recalls.
Battery replacements are still rare so up-to-date data on costs can be difficult to find. In our community of 15,000 EV drivers, the rate of battery failure is only 1.5%. The chart below shows the likelihood of needing a battery replacement, based on our data. Note that the Chevrolet Bolt and Hyundai Kona EV had much higher rates of battery replacements due to widespread manufacturer's recalls.
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Ummm, yeah, that's the equipment cost for the charging station. That's all well and good, but is it going to install itself?
Of course not, so add in an electrical permit (~$150-$300, depending on your local permitting authority) and at least 3-4 hours labor for an electrician to install it (@ ~$125 an hour) and the other materials required to install the 220V circuit (10 gauge wire, a 220V/50A breaker, a disconnect, and an electrical enclosure, possibly some conduit, etc. - all of which are required by electrical codes).
Having worked for 3 years as a service manager for an electrical contractor putting together these kinds of estimates, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the cost of the charging station is about 20%-25% of the total cost of the charging station installation.
So multiply your lowball $350 figure by 4x-5x and you are getting pretty close to the real world cost to install a charging station in your home. For the Ford version, multiply it by 4x-5x and THEN add another $350-$400 to that number.
Of course all those calculations are base on the assumption that you OWN a home to install one into to begin with. For those who don't own a home of their own, and are renting a living space from someone else, fuggetaboutit. You're screwed.
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PLUG-IN INSTALLATION - Simply install a 14-50R outlet and you're ready to plug in your EV charging station. Also compatible with certain dryer outlets via available adapters.
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They already had one in their garage. Now what?
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They already had one in their garage. Now what?
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Yeah, sure. As long as you already have a 220v/240v circuit to connect it to that isn't already in use. That is VERY uncommon.
The outlet to plug into is just a TINY fraction of the total cost of the circuit. You have to install the wiring and the breaker, and enclosures, and an electrical disconnect, etc.
A lot of homes already have one of these 220v/240v circuits installed - but they have their dryer or electric range plugged into that circuit. You can't simply tap into that circuit - you have to ADD another circuit.
So installing the charger requires ADDING another 220V/240V circuit.
Have you ever actually installed one? Ever put together an estimate to install one? I have, many times. It isn't nearly as cheap or easy as you seem to think. Experience trumps theory. Every time.
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They had one in their garage. I have one outside my house for an RV - the prior owner left it.
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ONE what? An unused 220v/240v circuit?
If so, then they are by far the exception rather than the rule.
Most homes have one or two of these circuits already installed - but they are dedicated to the electric clothes dryer or the electric range. Having a circuit like this installed and unused in the garage is NOT the norm.
So again, you are arguing for a one-size-fits-all solution, basically that what worked for ONE person should work for EVERYONE.
Sorry, but it just doesn't actually work that way in the real world.
But it does work. For my kids for years, and for me when I eventually buy one.
Yessir! Washington State has already proposed replacing the gasoline tax with a "per mile" tax to make sure those freeloading EV drivers pay their fair share of road maintenance costs.
You seem to be missing (or stubbornly ignoring) the point that what worked for THEM will NOT work for everyone.
Most homes DO NOT have an unused 220V/240V circuit already installed and unused in their garage. Do you? I don't. If your kids did, then they got lucky. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!
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The air quality here is now "unhealthy" thanks to the fires in Canada. The soot is thick, hanging over the area like a fog.
It really drives home just how absurd the emission regulations have become. There is probably more pollution in the air right now than all of the cumulative powerplant and car emissions over the last 50 years.
It really drives home just how absurd the emission regulations have become. There is probably more pollution in the air right now than all of the cumulative powerplant and car emissions over the last 50 years.
Here! Here! Well stated...
Well, I have 220 in an RV plug that was there when I bought the house; I plan to use it. The kids had an unused dryer plug in their garage, where an earlier owner replaced the electric dryer with a gas dryer. It seems that now the final EV quibble is about a simple dryer plug.
If you don't want an EV, don't buy one. At the same time, understand that within their limitations, they can work, do work, and have worked in ever-increasing numbers for more than a decade. The EV market made one of the world's richest men that rich.
Belief resists information.
Military considerations aside, the US Government has set a target of no new ICE vehicles by 2035. California is leading the way in this push towards EV's.
THAT is the thing that most of us have issues with - because it isn't technically feasible. That is the fly in the ointment that YOU and those of your persuasion seem to want to ignore.
THE STATED GOAL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE - yet our overlords have MANDATED that it WILL happen - even though it is impossible!
Remember the story of the Emperor's new clothes? Or was that missing from your education?
If it were a simple matter of most of us being able to CHOOSE not to buy one, this debate would have died back on page 2.
HOWEVER, when our government has decreed that we won't have a choice in the matter a mere 10 years or so from now, then THAT is a problem.
You have a 220v circuit already in your garage? Well BULLY for you! Most people don't. I don't. The fact is the majority of people don't even OWN a garage for their car - they rent an apartment with a parking slot.
So while the government mandated "one size fits all" solution works just fine for you (and your kids) what about everyone else?
Let them eat cake?
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The mandated goal in California is for New Cars built in 2035 and afterward, not on existing cars that already operate within the state…
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Is you oven or stove gas or electric! If Electric than you have a 240-volt power source on your property! As for apartments, that between you and your apartment management to work out…
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Exactly. So beginning in 2035 the only NEW car Califorinians will be able to buy are EV's. Buying a brand new ICE vehicle will no longer be an option. And you have no problem with that constraint on people's freedom of choice - or the impact it will have on people who aren't rich enough to afford an EV?
Sorry - I don't own a garage.
If the cake is chocolate it may have a bit too much caffeine and could exacerbate arguments.
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