Ex Cop, now cop killer on loose in L.A. Careful.

[MTS Cop]

I think this guy is on his own. From his writings he strikes me as a loner and has trouble trusting others. I don't think he is as good as they are making him out to be. His LE training is nothing special and unless he was a SEAL I wouldn't be too impressed. He is still dangerous though and should be handled very carefully.

Unlike most people I would love to see him taken alive, in cuffs with a perp walk. He is so obsessed with his name and reputation that being put on trial for a few murders would destroy him inside. After that hopefully the CO's find him hanging from underwear one morning. That seems like a fitting end to this cowards life to me. Getting lit up by LAPD works for me too though.

I really don't know what to make of the two cars just getting lit up by the cops. If there was a burly black guy in the driver's seat I could kind of understand it, but they weren't even close on the description. Needless to say I think those officers are done being cops. I can understand the stress and fear they have while dealing with this situation but there are some things you just can't screw up.

I'm also a little concerned about copycats. I've worked with more than a few people who I often wondered how the hell did they pass the psych exam? One guy in particular is in the process of being terminated for some very legit psych reasons but truly believes he is being railroaded. The last thing we need is more Rambo meets Serpico cases.

 

[cmort666]

I really don't know what to make of the two cars just getting lit up by the cops. If there was a burly black guy in the driver's seat I could kind of understand it, but they weren't even close on the description.

Neither of the vehicles shot up met the description of Dorner's in ANY way apart from them being trucks.

• color
• make
• model
• visible configuration

were ALL different.

Needless to say I think those officers are done being cops.

I wouldn't be so sure. I have no doubt that the union will go to the mat for them.

The campaign of vilification of the victims is just getting started too.

I can understand the stress and fear they have while dealing with this situation but there are some things you just can't screw up.

I'm seeing claims that they didn't "screw up" AT ALL.

 

[4Js]

Try to justify shooting the women in the pickup (that didn't match the description) any way you want. It just won't wash. That was more than just being 'jumpy'. When you pull a trigger at someone, that is deadly force. Period. No do-overs, no I'm sorry.

There were thousands of cops on duty in the Los Angles basin that night. The others were professional. They didn't start shooting pickups.

It's not just a screw up.

If that had been my wife, my sister, my mother, or my daughter, I'd want their guts slung over a fence.

Plain enough?

 

[MaximumLawman]

Attempts to minimize the harm and blame the victims send a message.

So does seeing rogue cops in every donut shop and trying to make an incident fit your "theory" instead of the other way around.

The campaign of vilification of the victims is just getting started too.


I'm seeing claims that they didn't "screw up" AT ALL.

Links please.

 

[bitstream]

The guy that was shot at and had his truck broadsided is suing

Redondo Beach man, shot at by police in Christopher Dorner manhunt, calls Torrance officers 'reckless' - LA Daily News

I just don't see any possible way that the police can excuse the officers involved in this incident and the two ladies a few blocks away just before this happened.

There is simply no justification that the public will accept for the police to ambush a vehicle and shoot it up without confirming that it is, in fact, a valid target. The officers involved need to be seriously punished and the entire force in the L.A. and surrounding areas need a refresher talk from their supervisors immediately regarding ROE.

 

[cmort666]

If that had been my wife, my sister, my mother, or my daughter, I'd want their guts slung over a fence.

But she wasn't shot THAT bad, and it probably doesn't even show. And if she suffers pain and emotional trauma for the rest of her life, some would tell you she just needs to "man up"...

What those cops did was so outrageous and unconscionable, that a lot of cops seem loathe to defend this behavior, even if they don't openly condemn it.

There are vocal exceptions...

 

[LVSteve]

LA Times is reporting that the search at Big Bear has been scaled down. They have been to all the cabins in the area and found no trace.

Dorner manhunt: Authorities scale back search in Big Bear area - latimes.com

 

[MaximumLawman]

But she wasn't shot THAT bad, and it probably doesn't even show. And if she suffers pain and emotional trauma for the rest of her life, some would tell you she just needs to "man up"...

You're the who was ranting for charges, I believe.....In order to determine what charges are appropriate you have to know what the injuries are because we don't charge people for "what could have happened", we charge them for what "did" happen. And we also charge people based on whether the victim wants to prosecute or not. If these women do not want the officers charged for shooting them, criminal charges, if any, will take that into account regardless of what YOU want to happen.

 

[cmort666]

You're the who was ranting for charges, I believe.....In order to determine what charges are appropriate you have to know what the injuries are because we don't charge people for "what could have happened", we charge them for what "did" happen. And we also charge people based on whether the victim wants to prosecute or not. If these women do not want the officers charged for shooting them, criminal charges, if any, will take that into account regardless of what YOU want to happen.

You don't know what injuries they suffered, what lasting effects there will be, or what they want, and by all indications don't much care.

Trying to minimize what was done sends a message.

 

[MaximumLawman]

You don't know what injuries they suffered, what lasting effects there will be, or what they want, and by all indications don't much care.

Paper said minor injuries on one and the older woman was released from the hospital the next day.....How much am I supposed to "care"? I'm on the other side of the country, don't know these people or the guy who shot them and had nothing to do with it. Besides, when it comes to cops screwing up, you care enough for all of us....

 

[PA Reb]

You're the who was ranting for charges, I believe.....In order to determine what charges are appropriate you have to know what the injuries are because we don't charge people for "what could have happened", we charge them for what "did" happen. And we also charge people based on whether the victim wants to prosecute or not. If these women do not want the officers charged for shooting them, criminal charges, if any, will take that into account regardless of what YOU want to happen.

Wait, where is "zy" as shown in your location? It must be outside the U.S. because you sure don't seem to be making lawful sense to me. "We don't charge people for what could have happened."? What does attempted murder or attempted anything mean? Where does negligence fit into all that? Do victims who end up in lifelong comas or dead somehow tell prosecutors if they should or should not file charges? To be quite honest, I can't stand the attitudes of 80% or more of today's law enforcement officers and those that shot up these innocent people are the worst and the reason why. They all need to go down, and go down big time !

Sorry but this back and forth bickering and arguing is getting real old real fast. I've never seen so many factless theories in all my years and this thread is out of control!

 

[ogilvyspecial]

Sorry but this back and forth bickering and arguing is getting real old real fast. I've never seen so many factless theories in all my years and this thread is out of control!

We've tried to let this thread run, but it appears as
if that's not going to work, for now at least.

Time for a break.