Ex Cop, now cop killer on loose in L.A. Careful.

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feralmerril said:
Saw that. Its a very steep rough area. California but the elevation there is high and gets bitter cold at night. I am guessing the choppers will spot him. It will be hard for him to survive the night if he hasnt got good cloths. His only chance would be to try to walk down to lower elevation at night. Thats hard and very dangerous at night. This will be interesting.
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I don't know. If he didn't switch cars and is hiding out in the wilderness, I would be surprised if he wasn't prepared for it. I've spent time in rougher conditions for FUN with friends from SERE school, so I'm sure someone like him doing it out of necessity can do it easily.
 
feralmerril said:
Saw that. Its a very steep rough area. California but the elevation there is high and gets bitter cold at night. I am guessing the choppers will spot him. It will be hard for him to survive the night if he hasnt got good cloths. His only chance would be to try to walk down to lower elevation at night. Thats hard and very dangerous at night. This will be interesting.
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Choppers? Wouldn't it be ironic if the first American to be taken out by drone on U.S. soil is the author of that "manifesto"?
 
feralmerril said:
you can bet the department will be looking even closer at it`self as a result to him.
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Exceptionally doubtful.

Insular organizations, police departments in particular, rarely engage in honest introspection. Self-justification, scapegoating and projection are the norm.

Right after I left Korea in '81, a very similar incident occurred there.

A Korean cop was going through a bad marital breakup. He went to the police station and signed out his .38, an M-2 carbine and a bag of grenades. He then drove up into the mountains and started a circuit of farming villages. He'd pull up to a farm house, knock on the door and announce, "Police, open up." When the occupants did, he'd throw in a frag grenade, followed up with direct fire from his carbine and .38.

Initially, nobody knew what was going on and the authorities thought it was an attack by the North Korean Light Infantry Brigade commandos. They ended up calling out the Korean National Police, the Combat Police, and the ROK Army. He killed a bunch of people. I can't recall if he killed himself or was killed by the authorities.
 
USAF385 said:
I don't know. If he didn't switch cars and is hiding out in the wilderness, I would be surprised if he wasn't prepared for it. I've spent time in rougher conditions for FUN with friends from SERE school, so I'm sure someone like him doing it out of necessity can do it easily.
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Remember how long Eric Rudolph, the Olympic park bomber, held out.
 
Collects said:
My reaction to the death threats? Strap on a gun; NOT send a bill for expenses necessarily incurred prosecuting their case; change where I spend time if the former clients might find me; look over my back a lot; and write and mail out details of the death threats, so that if I am murdered, people would know who to suspect.
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A while ago, I had a similar situation with some neo-Nazis in usenet. They posted what they thought were maps to my home and death threats.

My reaction? "You think you know where I am. How come you're not here yet? Too stupid to follow your own directions, or just too damned scared?"

I let it be known that I wouldn't hesitate to shoot any of them who showed up.

It's been something like ten years and they haven't shown up yet.
 
gregintenn said:
It's hard to keep count, but it seems the LAPD have shot about as many people as he has at this point.
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According to the video from the scene where the two citizens were shot by LAPD, they were delivering papers in a Toyota Tacoma. It seems their shooting skills were greater than their vehicle ID.
 
LVSteve said:
According to the video from the scene where the two citizens were shot by LAPD, they were delivering papers in a Toyota Tacoma. It seems their shooting skills were greater than their vehicle ID.
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I just saw that on the news along with the second truck that was mistakenly shot up.... someone needs to take their "hicaps" away... holy **** there had to be well over 50 holes in the truck and that's just on the truck, who knows how many missed. Amazing the women weren't killed. Guess I'll find out how this ends when I get back from NTC Sunday evening.
 
He has obviously been planning this for some time, so he must have contingency plans. Although his obvious state of mental instability will be his ultimate demise. Although I'm sure he is intelligent to some degree, he is also a few fries short of a happy meal. Definitely some mental health issues.
 
Here we go. . . .

The guns did not burn his truck, the guns didn't type the manifesto, the guns did not do this.

He did this, he is another in a long line of Mental Health FAILURES in this country.

99.99% of gun owning, law abiding citizens will be painted with this brush.

Chuck
 
His manifesto says he'll stop if they admit the truth. That's not much of a request. Seems like a small price to pay if half of what he said that lady LEO did is true. Why doesn't she just own up to it? Then request he turn himself in. He clearly needs to be punished for his deeds, but this seems like an easy way to defuse it and get him to deescalate.
 
USAF385 said:
I don't know. If he didn't switch cars and is hiding out in the wilderness, I would be surprised if he wasn't prepared for it. I've spent time in rougher conditions for FUN with friends from SERE school, so I'm sure someone like him doing it out of necessity can do it easily.
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I suspect that he had another vehicle in waiting, and it is registered to a relative or friend. If that be the case, he may already be back in the city stalking the next on the list.
BTW, how he dealt with this situation is by no means normal. He should have asked for help. That in mind, he has been in a plan for several months, and for anyone involved to assume any of his next moves needs to broaden the network. Everyone he has been in contact with in the past three years needs to be interviewed for clues. I would hope the FED's are on this very thing right now.
Ending a human life in any sort of property, livelihood, or personal grievance is not the right thing to do. One must use the system in place to file the grievance, and adjust to whatever the outcome is. Killing a family member of an appointed councilor is just flat wrong.

I'm done,
 
I'm not surprised by these tragedies anymore ... crazies running amok are becoming more common place. What does continue to make me wonder however, is how no one saw any red flags to act upon. People don't write delusional, hate-filled manifestos and go on killing sprees because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning. This individual had apparently been on slow boil for years ... and not a single person noticed?
 
This individual had apparently been on slow boil for years ... and not a single person noticed?
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This is one of the prices you pay for the freedom from government intrusion into your medical records and doctor/patient confidentiality. I can't even get the status of a patient in the hospital who has been injured as the result of a crime half the time due to medical professionals' not understanding what is allowable under HIPPA laws. No way some shrink is going to tell you anything if you ask: "Hey, do you think this patient of yours is potentially violent?" And they're not going to call YOU unless the guy says something definitive like "I'm going to kill X, Y and Z". That's not the way it usually works. And that's not even taking into account all the people on anti-psychotic drugs who are running around on the edge.

What would you like the police to do if someone called in and said: "Officer Jones is nuts...he didn't actually threaten me, but I could see him doing it in the future...."
 
And that package he sent to Anderson Cooper.....

Interesting character. Interesting is one word for it I guess.

Be safe everyone in that area, or even within a hundred miles.
 
Hi:
During my LEO Career I never thought about Department Politics---until I went to work for a small rural County Sheriffs Department--within two weeks I knew I had made a BIG mistake leaving a City Department and coming to a "Good Old Boy" agency. In Florida these "Pork Chop" Sheriifs Departments are not career service, therefore a Deputy can be "Terminated" without cause. I saw several Deputies' careers ruined for arresting a "Special Privanged" citizen or issuing a Traffic Citation to a "Special Citizen". The "Word" was a Deputy got to meet the Sheriff twice-the day were hired and the day you were fired.
 
MaximumLawman said:
This is one of the prices you pay for the freedom from government intrusion into your medical records and doctor/patient confidentiality. I can't even get the status of a patient in the hospital who has been injured as the result of a crime half the time due to medical professionals' not understanding what is allowable under HIPPA laws. No way some shrink is going to tell you anything if you ask: "Hey, do you think this patient of yours is potentially violent?" And they're not going to call YOU unless the guy says something definitive like "I'm going to kill X, Y and Z". That's not the way it usually works. And that's not even taking into account all the people on anti-psychotic drugs who are running around on the edge.

What would you like the police to do if someone called in and said: "Officer Jones is nuts...he didn't actually threaten me, but I could see him doing it in the future...."
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Hah! So now it's the price we have to pay, cause we've got this awful privacy from federal government intrusion? Nevermind....
 
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