Fishslayer
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I am puzzled by the conveniently "found" badge.
The "shoot first ask questions later" thing. Sure seems like they don't want him available for interviews.
Strange...
Ex Cop, now cop killer on loose in L.A. Careful.
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I am puzzled by the conveniently "found" badge.
The "shoot first ask questions later" thing. Sure seems like they don't want him available for interviews.
Strange...
As noted above, a "red herring." My personal belief; no direct knowledge/involvement.
Be safe.
Be safe.
feralmerril
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The media is of course playing this up somewhat. To start with this guy was at best a rookie. He pulled some navy service IN THE MIDDLE of his couple year tenure as a LA cop. He was navy, not green beret or whatever for all that so called military training. Today I talked to my best friend that lives in california. He is right there and gets more detailed news than us that live out of california. His brother retired a few years ago off the LAPD as one of the very most senior officers with about 15 above him seniorty wise out of the close to 10,000 officers on the force so he probley hears more than the rest of us. As he told me this guy hadnt even had his own car and partner yet. He still rode with a training officer yet when fired. Not exactly a highly trained swat officer like the media kinda implys. As far as being a football "star", his old coach here in cedar city said while he liked him as a guy, it seemed he was far from a star player. The media is trying to make it sound like he is like rambo, a highly trained killing machine. While he is dangerous I doubt he is as good as the movie version of rambo or book version of jack reacher. He may be learning as he go`s though. It does keep me glued to the tv.
bitstream
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I found this today, it's a collection of all his legal and LAPD files:
DOCUMENTS: Deposition, Legal Papers Challenging The LAPD - Los Angeles Local News, Weather, and Traffic
The most interesting one is "Dorner Interdepartmental Correspondence Oct2008" This is the investigation of the incident and his claims. Very interesting reading from the Detective who investigated his claims.
The video at the top shows an interview with the suspect (which the Detective in the investigation above chose not to interview as his mother advised was mentally ill). The interesting thing is that the victim, while clearly mentally challenged, does in fact state he was kicked in the face by the female officer.
I'd say that there really isn't sufficient evidence to say the kicking did take place, but there at least is reasonable evidence to say that she might have kicked the suspect. Officer Dorner, it seems to me, made the allegation in good faith. I agree that his report that day didn't mention it, thus he either lied on that report or subsequently when he alleged the kick took place, but I'd have been willing to give him some credit that he was new and delayed reporting due to internal conflict.
I'd have likely given him a suspension for a week and sent him back for the "reintegration" training he evidently had been begging for (see the PDF mentioned above, page 15). I just don't see why they fired him for trying to report something he seemed to feel occurred when the victim's statement does support it (even if the victim in this case isn't 100%).
Just my $.02
In any case, there is no justification for doing what he did. He seems like he needed some mental health help himself. I hope he turns himself in or is arrested soon before anyone else gets hurt.
Also, I believe that the LAPD officers need a crash course in understanding that a Blue Toyota Tacoma is NOT a Grey Nissan Titan... I didn't realize that they are allowed to open fire and light up a vehicle without actually identifying the occupant is, in fact, a hostile.
DOCUMENTS: Deposition, Legal Papers Challenging The LAPD - Los Angeles Local News, Weather, and Traffic
The most interesting one is "Dorner Interdepartmental Correspondence Oct2008" This is the investigation of the incident and his claims. Very interesting reading from the Detective who investigated his claims.
The video at the top shows an interview with the suspect (which the Detective in the investigation above chose not to interview as his mother advised was mentally ill). The interesting thing is that the victim, while clearly mentally challenged, does in fact state he was kicked in the face by the female officer.
I'd say that there really isn't sufficient evidence to say the kicking did take place, but there at least is reasonable evidence to say that she might have kicked the suspect. Officer Dorner, it seems to me, made the allegation in good faith. I agree that his report that day didn't mention it, thus he either lied on that report or subsequently when he alleged the kick took place, but I'd have been willing to give him some credit that he was new and delayed reporting due to internal conflict.
I'd have likely given him a suspension for a week and sent him back for the "reintegration" training he evidently had been begging for (see the PDF mentioned above, page 15). I just don't see why they fired him for trying to report something he seemed to feel occurred when the victim's statement does support it (even if the victim in this case isn't 100%).
Just my $.02
In any case, there is no justification for doing what he did. He seems like he needed some mental health help himself. I hope he turns himself in or is arrested soon before anyone else gets hurt.
Also, I believe that the LAPD officers need a crash course in understanding that a Blue Toyota Tacoma is NOT a Grey Nissan Titan... I didn't realize that they are allowed to open fire and light up a vehicle without actually identifying the occupant is, in fact, a hostile.
MaximumLawman
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Maybe because he was freaking nuts? There were probably a whole host of other problems with this whackjob. Maybe he tried to parlay his "whistle blowing" into getting a big bag of money and when it didn't work out for him he went off the deep(er) end.
MaximumLawman
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Uh, yeah, the price you pay for making it next to impossible for law enforcement to know that some nutjob is about to go off is the occasional nutjob going off with no warning. My post was in response to a comment along the lines of "....the guy was this crazy and nobody noticed?"
Texas Star
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LAPD has a "hole" department or division? (See my highlighted text above.) I thought that most cops were content with just the basic donuts.
bitstream
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Read the legal documents. One of them is the order from the Chief of Police firing him. None of the documents cite any reference to him being mentally deficient. The entire case is that he lied about his training officer kicking a suspect.
If they thought he was mental, they should have added that as as a reason for dismissal and reported him to the database to ensure he couldn't purchase guns.
Clearly, he IS mental, but they didn't cite that anywhere, nor did they pursue it in any way.
Notice, as I did, that in coverage of the search for the killer, almost every LEO is armed with some sort of rifle and mag that would be banned by the new AWB legislation. Answering, once again, the question "who needs an "assault rifle" and "high capacity" magazines?" Apparently, everybody who may encounter a lunatic killer, similarly armed...
MaximumLawman
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I suspect we're not seeing all of the personnel documents involved in this guys career. There are many strategic reasons why they may have done it the way they did without outright calling him nuts and letting us know about it. I bet his former FTO's would tell you over a beer that: "That guy was NUTS!"
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Pretty good analysis if you ask me. And yes, according to his manifesto, he is willing and ready to kill little children. He says he knows the schools and the "recess times" of your children and your friends children.
This is eerily similar to Scorpio, the original Dirty Harry bad guy. Pure evil.......
LVSteve
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FYI these are the two trucks owned and driven by innocent civilians shot up. The suspect was driving a grey Nissan Titan with a large roof rack.
Fixed the text for you.
I've read the first portion of his manifesto, if half of it is true the man has a very reason to be highly pissed off with the L.A.P.D. and everyone involved. But there are proper ways to deal with something like this, the wanton killing of Civilians and officers is not the way to deal with this. Neither is the L.A.P.D.shooting up two civilian trucks acceptable.
troutjunkie
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Can you imagine the horror the two women, simply delivering papers went through as their truck was riddled with bullets?! Apparently with no warning, if the officers had made any attempt to apprehend the driver they would have quickly realized it was not their guy!! How many vehicles do you think could match the description of the perps?! And they were WRONG!! Apparently they were prepared to blast away at any vehicle close to fitting the description! What they did was unbelievably reckless and they should fired immediately and not allowed anywhere near a firearm for life. Sorry for the rant but the reckless irresponsibility of their actions just floors me!
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They do notice but in today's pc world. Where no one is held accountable there ignored. People are so worried they might infringe on someone's rights. Which I can understand but people need to be held accountable for there actions also.
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Personally I think the officers should be fired and brought up on attempted murder or attempted man slaughter charges. There is no and I mean no reason for any one to open fire on something that they "THINK" could be a threat. California is not a war zone and I am not even sure the military would just open fire on something like that.
sipowicz
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Corruption, excuses, whatever. I have no sympathy for a piece of garbage who kills an innocent girl and her fiance to get back at her father.
Kelly Green
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What's with the media?
I agree that the man needs to be put down but the media is again exploiting a terrible situation. Earlier today I heard an overenthusiastic news announcer gushing that he may have a .50 caliber sniper rifle and a shoulder launched missile. Give the talking heads another day and they'll have him driving an M1A1 tank and flying a A-10 Warthog.
I agree that the man needs to be put down but the media is again exploiting a terrible situation. Earlier today I heard an overenthusiastic news announcer gushing that he may have a .50 caliber sniper rifle and a shoulder launched missile. Give the talking heads another day and they'll have him driving an M1A1 tank and flying a A-10 Warthog.
feralmerril
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I read he does claim to haveing a .50 barrett. Could be something to it. This is in his 2nd to last paragraph in his manifesto. I copied it on the lead to this thread. Went back and found it.
As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
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venomballistics
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yeah sip ... its all part of that growing pile of stupid this one generates.
poorly chosen target in that the man he was out to hurt was his representation.
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