Ex Cop, now cop killer on loose in L.A. Careful.

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I'm no tin foil guy, but I call bs, the awb praise from THIS guy at THIS time is a "gift" on the level of each one of us anonymously receiving a life time supply of ammo and guns of anything we could ever want...just don't smell right in my opinion.
 
FYI these are the two trucks owned and driven by innocent civilians shot up. The suspect was driving a grey Nissan Titan

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This guy is going to stand out like bigfoot flying a 747. He either will be located today or tomorrow or they are in big trouble. No show means he has a real hidey hole and probley has supplys scattered all over LA basin. Wonder if he has help? I dont see how he could gas up now without being reconised. I see he went to college right here where we live in cedar city utah. Read he owns property in vegas. He has lived in other states too.
I doubt if he will lay low long. He will want to keep the momentum going.
 
I'm not surprised by these tragedies anymore ... crazies running amok are becoming more common place. What does continue to make me wonder however, is how no one saw any red flags to act upon. People don't write delusional, hate-filled manifestos and go on killing sprees because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning. This individual had apparently been on slow boil for years ... and not a single person noticed?
This guy has been protected by political correctness, same as that Ft. Hood "soldier for jihad"(his business card) with the Five-seveN. There are many places he could have been identified as unstable other than his law enforcement circles, but it sounds like he was being enabled in his grudge, if by nothing else than what he showed by his manifesto wherein he listed those he respected and expressed support for politically. Man was sick. The left keeps winding these guys up,(even arming them, down my way)and refusing to allow sane people to put the brakes on them.
 
I'm no tin foil guy, but I call bs, the awb praise from THIS guy at THIS time is a "gift" on the level of each one of us anonymously receiving a life time supply of ammo and guns of anything we could ever want...just don't smell right in my opinion.

I agree it don't smell right.
the pieces as presented, just don't fit.
 
Tin foil hat or no, the timing and reporting of this incident just does not pass the smell test. I hope we do not see a rash of very odd shootings in the near future, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
This guy was also a former football player. Did too many concussions cause traumatic brain injury, which led to his unsual and criminal acts?
 
Someone tell that woman feinstein out in California that we should ban cops, as they are too dangerous for honest people to have around them.

Makes as much sense as what she's proposing. :(
 
I read the manifesto was posted to Facebook?...but in it he states he is "off the grid"..when did he post it? As immediately afterwards he would have to make himself scarce as authorities would be notified immediately..he doesn't sound like a Facebook kind of guy to me, with a large network if "friends" to see his post and get the message out..I don't know. Questions questions.
 
the thing that stands out to me is the overall conduct of all parties.
from the manifesto Im pretty sure he was thrown under the bus after trying to right a departmental wrong.
Now that the LAPD shot up two civilian vehicles looking for him ... the boys argument just might hold a little water.
They wont take him alive. I suspect he'd catch a few mags of lead if he went to a police station with his hands up.
Now Im not saying he's any kind of hero either, Rather Im seeing a long train load of stupid in this whole thing.
 
Wow so they're shooting up trucks? Just... Any truck? Yikes.

so it seemed for a little while there.
My theory is that although proper and accurate information was available, it wasn't communicated or it wasn't comprehended.
either way the people in those vehicles felt hot lead due to yet another installment into a large stack of stupid.
Gray Nissan titan ...
neither of the shot up trucks were gray, nor even Nissans.
Thank God he torched his gray Nissan Titan ... this may have saved lives
 
Our local media is reporting that this guy could be heading east to Georgia. They say he has family here.
 
Our local media is reporting that this guy could be heading east to Georgia. They say he has family here.

If he decides to shortcut through the Lone Star State, I think the Texas Rangers will be the guys to finish him. Finish him for good so we never have to hear about him again.
 
Wow-they really ventilated that truck the 2 women were in, and they are worried about fire discipline if they use the Army, etc, on civilian matters?! Also, I saw the burnt truck as a diversion, why would he burn it, to hide evidence (??) He's already admitted to the crimes. I think he may have hauled a Bike up there, torched the truck, put on his helmet and tinted face shield, and roared back to the city. FWIW
 
Which ever way he goes, I hope he gets what coming to him. I stop there, cause I could rant for a page or two on what I think of people like him.

And whats with the ladies getting shot up? Great detective work there!:rolleyes:
 
He appears to have a fierce sense of right and wrong, which feeds his obvious righteous indignation (being wrongly accused.) The stress incurred in these events that he listed, as well as others, along with whatever baggage he carried to the job each day (we all have some) combined with the loss of personal integrity that he feels was wrongly ripped from him,(and which has a very high value to him) results in his feeling (actually and personally) disenfranchised, with nothing else, as far as he is concerned, to lose. In this scenario, an 80 year old, 75 pound woman with a letter opener is very dangerous, much less this trained and motivated individual. The time frame tells me that this (these) actions have been dwelt upon for so long that what happens now is the release of the accumulated stress. Join me in praying for this person, and those implicated here. An intervention from God, in some form, seems the only likely resolution in this situation, in my view.

I've also read the majority of his manifesto. The guy is very intelligent, very well trained, and is on a mission. I don't think any intervention is going to stop him from attempting the completion of his objectives.

This is an example of the system completely failing a person. He feels that this is his only last resort. From what I seen and read, it seemed like this guy was a good person, but deep down also carried anger. While he may not have provoked anything, he seemed like he allowed people to provoke him and he would snap. Just read the incident with him and two officers on the bus. A person his size and physical ability could have easily killed that other office from choking him out.

While he wanted to fight injustices, he didn't do it with a cool head; which probably gave him an image within the department as a loose canon. While he blames others for the situation he is in, he doesn't look inward and blame himself. If he kept a cool and logical head; he would not have flipped out on the bus. He is trying to make himself into the martyr here and while he is trying to save his name; he is further tarnishing it at the same time by killing innocent people.

If the majority of his manifesto is true, I truly feel for the guy not only because the system failed him, but also because he let the system fail him. While he may have been abandoned by family and close friends, he also abandoned himself by not getting help that he needed. He didn't have faith in anything besides the delusional world that was in his mind. So when that delusional world became warped and rocked his faith in it, he had no other faith to turn to and lean on for strength and guidance. It's sad how good people can totally lose themselves and become someone that they swore to protect people from.
 
Media Coverage of Calif. Cop Killer

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Since the Newtown school shooting started all the hysteria about "assault weapons" and "high-capacity magazines," I wonder if there will be a similar reaction to an ex-LAPD cop killing a number of Southern Californians. Since somebody must "DO SOMETHING" whenever there is a high-profile shooting, maybe somebody might comment that assault weapons and high-cap magazines are exactly what we need to defend ourselves against crazy ex-cops. I am currently in South Calif. and I'm very grateful to have a 3rd-generation S&W semi-auto nearby (although I must use a 10-round magazine in it thanks to Di-Fi).
Just thinkin.'
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This animal is narcissistic and delusional. Just about all organizations have people like him...those who are always the only ones who are "right." And not speaking of LE organizations only.

When anyone thinks they are the sole arbiters of right/wrong they are, in my personal experience, always WRONG.

I suspect evidence will show he was the BEST running back and the BEST Lieutenant...but only in his warped mind.

Law enforcement entities usually weed out misanthropes such as him in the hiring stage...yet some slip through. I investigated a case of the worst law enforcement use of force imaginable. (My opinion here.) The primary perpetrator was similar to Dorner. He thought he could do no wrong as he was smarter than everyone else and thus he, alone, could determine the "proper" course of action. That was/is sad and unconscionable.

Dorner's murder of the child of someone whom he believed wronged him is ample evidence of his incredible arrogance and sub-human behavior.

All said, I doubt he is anywhere in California. Significant red herrings are in place.

I pray he is apprehended soon.

To all in his path...Be Safe.
 
Tin foil hat or no, the timing and reporting of this incident just does not pass the smell test. I hope we do not see a rash of very odd shootings in the near future, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I am puzzled by the conveniently "found" badge.

The "shoot first ask questions later" thing. Sure seems like they don't want him available for interviews.

Strange...
 
As noted above, a "red herring." My personal belief; no direct knowledge/involvement.

Be safe.


I am puzzled by the conveniently "found" badge.

The "shoot first ask questions later" thing. Sure seems like they don't want him available for interviews.

Strange...
 
The media is of course playing this up somewhat. To start with this guy was at best a rookie. He pulled some navy service IN THE MIDDLE of his couple year tenure as a LA cop. He was navy, not green beret or whatever for all that so called military training. Today I talked to my best friend that lives in california. He is right there and gets more detailed news than us that live out of california. His brother retired a few years ago off the LAPD as one of the very most senior officers with about 15 above him seniorty wise out of the close to 10,000 officers on the force so he probley hears more than the rest of us. As he told me this guy hadnt even had his own car and partner yet. He still rode with a training officer yet when fired. Not exactly a highly trained swat officer like the media kinda implys. As far as being a football "star", his old coach here in cedar city said while he liked him as a guy, it seemed he was far from a star player. The media is trying to make it sound like he is like rambo, a highly trained killing machine. While he is dangerous I doubt he is as good as the movie version of rambo or book version of jack reacher. He may be learning as he go`s though. It does keep me glued to the tv.
 
I found this today, it's a collection of all his legal and LAPD files:

DOCUMENTS: Deposition, Legal Papers Challenging The LAPD - Los Angeles Local News, Weather, and Traffic

The most interesting one is "Dorner Interdepartmental Correspondence Oct2008" This is the investigation of the incident and his claims. Very interesting reading from the Detective who investigated his claims.

The video at the top shows an interview with the suspect (which the Detective in the investigation above chose not to interview as his mother advised was mentally ill). The interesting thing is that the victim, while clearly mentally challenged, does in fact state he was kicked in the face by the female officer.

I'd say that there really isn't sufficient evidence to say the kicking did take place, but there at least is reasonable evidence to say that she might have kicked the suspect. Officer Dorner, it seems to me, made the allegation in good faith. I agree that his report that day didn't mention it, thus he either lied on that report or subsequently when he alleged the kick took place, but I'd have been willing to give him some credit that he was new and delayed reporting due to internal conflict.

I'd have likely given him a suspension for a week and sent him back for the "reintegration" training he evidently had been begging for (see the PDF mentioned above, page 15). I just don't see why they fired him for trying to report something he seemed to feel occurred when the victim's statement does support it (even if the victim in this case isn't 100%).

Just my $.02

In any case, there is no justification for doing what he did. He seems like he needed some mental health help himself. I hope he turns himself in or is arrested soon before anyone else gets hurt.

Also, I believe that the LAPD officers need a crash course in understanding that a Blue Toyota Tacoma is NOT a Grey Nissan Titan... I didn't realize that they are allowed to open fire and light up a vehicle without actually identifying the occupant is, in fact, a hostile.
 
I just don't see why they fired him for trying to report something he seemed to feel occurred when the victim's statement does support it (even if the victim in this case isn't 100%).

Maybe because he was freaking nuts? There were probably a whole host of other problems with this whackjob. Maybe he tried to parlay his "whistle blowing" into getting a big bag of money and when it didn't work out for him he went off the deep(er) end.
 
Hah! So now it's the price we have to pay, cause we've got this awful privacy from federal government intrusion? Nevermind....

Uh, yeah, the price you pay for making it next to impossible for law enforcement to know that some nutjob is about to go off is the occasional nutjob going off with no warning. My post was in response to a comment along the lines of "....the guy was this crazy and nobody noticed?"
 
I'm pretty certain that what he states in his manifesto is true.
It's a shame there is so much known corruption within LAPD and other large and small departments.
I don't agree that murder of anyone, including family members is the answer. I guarantee this will draw attention within the LAPD to investigate the hole department.


LAPD has a "hole" department or division? (See my highlighted text above.) I thought that most cops were content with just the basic donuts. :D
 
Maybe because he was freaking nuts? There were probably a whole host of other problems with this whackjob. Maybe he tried to parlay his "whistle blowing" into getting a big bag of money and when it didn't work out for him he went off the deep(er) end.

Read the legal documents. One of them is the order from the Chief of Police firing him. None of the documents cite any reference to him being mentally deficient. The entire case is that he lied about his training officer kicking a suspect.

If they thought he was mental, they should have added that as as a reason for dismissal and reported him to the database to ensure he couldn't purchase guns.


Clearly, he IS mental, but they didn't cite that anywhere, nor did they pursue it in any way.
 
Notice, as I did, that in coverage of the search for the killer, almost every LEO is armed with some sort of rifle and mag that would be banned by the new AWB legislation. Answering, once again, the question "who needs an "assault rifle" and "high capacity" magazines?" Apparently, everybody who may encounter a lunatic killer, similarly armed...
 
Read the legal documents. One of them is the order from the Chief of Police firing him. None of the documents cite any reference to him being mentally deficient. The entire case is that he lied about his training officer kicking a suspect.

If they thought he was mental, they should have added that as as a reason for dismissal and reported him to the database to ensure he couldn't purchase guns.


I suspect we're not seeing all of the personnel documents involved in this guys career. There are many strategic reasons why they may have done it the way they did without outright calling him nuts and letting us know about it. I bet his former FTO's would tell you over a beer that: "That guy was NUTS!"
 
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