Execution in Japan

One poster here is right, and one is wrong.

Can you figure out which is which?

I don’t remember if I picked these up in my days as a criminal justice planner, or from my first wife, who was a correctional administrator:

Incapacitation, deterrence, retribution, rehabilitation

I remember where I got these:

“What are the four categories of undesirable behavior?
Immoral behavior, antisocial behavior, illegal behavior, and sin”.

-Sir Leon Radzinovich
 
Great deterrent. Recidivism rate for executed criminals is running at zero percent.

I believe the rate of those successfully reintegrated into society when it is later found they were railroaded into the death chamber is similarly low.
 
Way back in the 70s, studies found that 99% of inmates were repeat offenders. Same study also found that 99% of first time offenders that went to prison, never returned to prison. They got their priorities straight.

In this country, the death penalty is not a deterrent. Most of the incarcerations are misapplied to folks who should not be incarcerated. It is sad, this once great nation thinks that warehousing people is a good thing.

Kevin
 
In my opinion, prison, including the death penalty, should be punishment,,not rehabilitation. Prisoners are not like the mainstream. They are a different breed.
Exactly...Rehabilitation takes place in the mind of the individual...Prison and the ultimate penalty are neither one intended for transformation of evil into good...They are punishment for wrongful deeds already committed...:(...Ben
 
Broken people mean broken systems. The biggest flaw with our current justice system is that it is run by flawed people.

I would be in favor of the death penalty except for one thing The process has been terribly abused, especially in cases where defendants were poor and couldn't afford adequate representation.

A big improvement would be to require a minimum of two eye witnesses as well as the same punishment for perjurers once their lies were uncovered. These protections were given in the Mosaic law.
 
Remember when Edith Bunker said she was in favor of Capital Punishment, “As long as it isn’t too severe.”?
 
It is off topic to add, but I will do so anyway, basically supporting HoustonRick. I used to be a determined supporter of the death penalty. After one very brief, minor view of the “justice system” in action, if I were called to be a potential juror in such a case, I would be extremely hesitant to serve. What I saw did not impress me. At all.

I’m a little surprised Japan allows the death penalty. I was not aware of that.

I like the idea of a death penalty.
The problem is with the bureaucracy that is supposed to see to it that the sentence is carried out in a timely manner.
 
I like the idea of a death penalty.
The problem is with the bureaucracy that is supposed to see to it that the sentence is carried out in a timely manner.
Not the bureaucracy but that pesky little constitution and the bill of rights-you know the one, it has the 2nd amendment in there as well, right before the 4th 5th 6th 8th and 14th amendments. ;)
 
There are two types of deterrence. General and Specific. General deterrence refers to deterring others/society from committing a crime by the threat of punishment. Specific deterrence refers to deterring the person/people who committed the crime.

General deterrence requires a punishment that is swift and severe and certain.

Capital punishment is severe, but it is not swift and certainly not certain so its general deterrence ability is questionable. As to specific deterrence, Capital punishment is 100% effective as a person executed will not commit another murder.

I am for capital punishment in theory, but against it in practice, as a person stands a better chance of being struck by lightning than being executed for murder. Whether society benefits from capital punishment is up for debate. The only group that potentially benefits is the appeals attorneys.
 
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I think many of us miss an important aspect of life sentences or death. Deterrence is one thing, but the other is to protect us. Locking them up or killing them keeps them and their criminal activities out of our lives. If not the death penalty, then put them in a cage and weld it shut. CAJUNLAWYER covered it very well:

Mainly because society as a whole is a LOT superior morally than these killers. In Louisiana life means life-you will die at Angola. Unlike the person sentenced t death, you will no longer be the center of attention, will not have Sister Whatever at your side, you will not have throngs of people supporting your cause while the victim and their family forgotten. You will not have a phaylanx of lawyers paid for by foundations to rally your cause, you will not get to be interviewed by 60 minutes on the unfairness of it all. No, you will be locked away to rot in jail, dying a little bit each say, with those on the outside who knew you gradually drift away and forget you. Your family and friends will die off and soon there will be nobody on the outside save some friend or distant relative that even knows who you are.You will age quickly, will work in the fields and nobody will give a **** about you. This will go on each day with you slowly dying both physically and mentally. You will have no hope, despair will overtake your life. And then one day you will finally die in the prison hospice swaddled in your diaper and that will be it. There will be nobody left to claim your corpse so you will be buried in a grave behind the dog kennels. Any belongings, old pictures of your momma, rosary, bible will either be be thrown out or given to some other inmate. You will just bwe one less thing to worry about. And that will be that.

Due process and constitutional adherence are imperative, but justice must be swift, severe and decisive.
 
Correlation vs Causation

Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation is a measurement of the strength and direction of the relationship between two or more variables, here eliminating the death penalty and murder rate. Causation indicates a similar but different relationship between variables, namely that one variable produces an effect on another variable or causes it. Just because the murder rate declines after the death penalty is eliminated is correlated, but not necessarily the cause of the decline. There are many other variables at play here.
 
Way back in the 70s, studies found that 99% of inmates were repeat offenders. Same study also found that 99% of first time offenders that went to prison, never returned to prison. They got their priorities straight.

In this country, the death penalty is not a deterrent. Most of the incarcerations are misapplied to folks who should not be incarcerated. It is sad, this once great nation thinks that warehousing people is a good thing.

Kevin
I don't know what studies you're talking about, but if they were accurate at the time I doubt they are now. My observation has been that with the current system, offenders are not sentenced to prison until they have offended repeatedly. The point being that with very rare exceptions there just aren't any first time offenders in prison. Verging on NONE.

Who's being incarcerated that shouldn't be? Yes, most of the crimes are committed by people with substance abuse problems. But what else are you going to do with them. Drug treatment doesn't work all that well even with ones that want it. Most of them chose and will continue to choose their lifestyle. Treatment programs have no chance of success with them.

I volunteer in a maximum security prison. I have good relationships with the men I work with. Most I deal with express regret and remorse for their actions that got them there. Many of the guys I work with have an L (life sentence), some multiple life sentences. A minority are getting out soon. Most of those have been in for many years.

Many of these men know the Bible far better than I do. I have great respect for their faith. I also know that they have serious addiction issues and their past history indicates that despite their best intentions and apparent strong faith, many will fall and end up back in prison if not dead first. And these are the cream of the crop in prison. These are the ones that regret their criminal behavior. They are Not like the majority of residents that are doing drugs and are gang members in prison.

I wish these guys the best and pray for their success and consider them brothers in Christ. However, many of them are better off in prison (a really terrible place) than out in society. I know in the the longer term, I don't want them running loose around my friends and family. Some I don't want to get out but celebrate the light they shine in prison and the positive influence they make on the general atmosphere in the prisons. Their life is not without value.

Don't get me wrong. We do have some major successes. Some of our best volunteers and even leaders in full time positions helping men both in and out of prison are former inmates. Some having served many years, some having wasted (largely) most of a lifetime in prisons. These are great men. But they freely acknowledge the dismal recidivism rate even with those that leave prison with the strongest faith and best intentions.

It seems many with addiction histories are just one slip or fall away from going down the same path that put them in prison. Lets face it, we all slip or fall in this life. We pick ourselves up, often with help, and get back on track. With many of these guys with addiction issues, that slip is catastrophic.

So yeah, until we get some control of the drug problem, which is the root issue with the vast majority of these guys, warehousing is a viable solution.

Personally I think the death penalty is appropriate for some. And it should be carried out in a timely manner so that it will provide a deterrence. Some guy getting executed that no one from the neighborhood remembers isn't much of a deterrence.

But it sure needs to be JUSTICE. I've personally observed some dishonest prosecutors, one of which lost his license. I also know some defense attorneys that are calloused and no longer have the right compassion or mindset to assure justice for their clients. Plus, if you get a public defender, the accused may find himself in a world of hurt. When even the best intentioned public defenders have a client load of a hundred or more cases, many public defenders just don't have the time to truly know the accused except for their brief interactions when seeing their clients. They have to rely on what investigators find and witness testimony.

After all that rambling, I don't know the answer. But putting or leaving unrepentant and unreformed on the street doesn't work.
 
I went back and reread my post and nowhere is there any mention of remorse. Even sociopaths experience the feelings I wrote of. Remorse has nothing to do with it. They'd rather be out of prison than in and sociopaths crave being the center of attention-is gives then validity. You want to punish a sociopath? Send then to Florence. Or Angola. For life.

Who cares where they’d rather be. If they’re dead what they prefer no longer matters, nor do we have to pay for their room, board, medical expenses or attorney fees. If you want to punish murderer, etc., erase them. Defense attorneys want to keep them alive because dead guys don’t need their services. :D
 
Who cares where they’d rather be. If they’re dead what they prefer no longer matters, nor do we have to pay for their room, board, medical expenses or attorney fees. If you want to punish murderer, etc., erase them. Defense attorneys want to keep them alive because dead guys don’t need their services. :D

I really like the idea of eraser, don't publish their pictures all over the news media. I also appreciate the idea of letting them quite literally "rot in jail".
I had a friend years ago that worked as a guard at McNeil Island Penitentiary in Washington State. He's a fat guy and I asked about health requirements being a guard. He said "Its the food." I asked him what about the food, his reply was that the food they serve in McNeil Island is better than the old school lunch program or any food he ever was served while in the Air Force. Now I've eaten on an Airbase or two and had an award winning mess hall while stationed in Germany, if food is better than that there is something wrong with that system. Beans and Rice is a complete meal...
Lets also be aware of the free medical while in prison, not to mention dialysis, etc. I'm not in favor of "prison for profit" or privatized prison but in many ways I believe prisoners are spoiled.
That friend of mine told me that if he ever found himself destitute and down on his luck at an advanced age he would simply attempt an armed robbery of a federally insured bank, Bingo...
 
I am for the death penalty. When everyone is 100% positive it is the right guy.

But, then I also believe in a point system. Every crime is worth X number of points. Reach 100 points and you forfeit your life.
Murder 50
Attempted murder 40
Armed robbery 40
Rape 30
Kidnapping 30
Assault with a weapon 20 points
Assault 10
Felony theft 10 points
Belonging to either major political party 100 points

No stacking or combining crimes during a single act for more points. The worst crime that day is what they get for points. Rob a bank and kill a guard. Points for murder. Next day steal a car. Car theft points.
 
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