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[LoboGunLeather]

As I posted in my thread my older son's background check took 5 minutes around 10:30am on black Friday. Here in Colorado as part of our stupid law changes a year ago we now have to pay $10 for the instant check.

The times when I see it back up now are usually on gun show weekends-I sold a gun locally the last time we had a show and it took close to 45 minutes for the check. Every other time it's about 5-10 minutes maximum.

When Colorado first adopted the Brady Bunch plan (leading to NICS checks) then director of the Colorado Department of Public Safety (and Brady Bunch supporter) <name redacted> proposed a fee of $100 to $150 for the background checks, and also wanted a 10-day waiting period. Colorado residents are lucky he did not get his way. I appeared and gave testimony at legislative hearings on the issue; my recommendation was to the effect that if this is being done for public safety then it should be done at public expense (I didn't get my way either).

During the time period of that debate (about 20 years ago now) I was also present when Mr. <name redacted> advocated complete bans on civilian ownership of handguns and semi-auto firearms of all kinds, registration of all firearms (including antiques) and advocated police using "felony stop" procedures in every contact with law-abiding citizens having registered firearms.

Yes, I can quote the names, just felt it unnecessary for this discussion and in this forum. I still have my notes from legislative committee meetings, meetings of Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police, and other venues involved. I'll never forget when Mr. <name redacted> started shouting and cursing NRA officials Harlan (expletive) Carter and Joe (expletive) Foss, and I spoke up to bring to his attention that Joe Foss was a retired Marine Corps general officer who earned the Congressional Medal of Honor during WW2 in the Pacific Theater, and suggested the advisability of being more circumspect in how he spoke about Mr. Foss around veterans (and especially Marines); thought the guy was going to blow a gasket, but the assembled spectators absolutely loved it (standing ovation for me, boo's for the foul-mouthed speaker)!

We have dodged the bullet repeatedly on most gun control proposals here in Colorado, but they will never stop coming back. Give some people an inch and they start thinking they are rulers.

 

[pawngal]

LoboGunLeather , What has happened on the proposed ban on high capacity magazines? Last I remember some company was going to move their business out of CO because if the couldn't sell them there, they weren't going to mfg. there.

 

[the ringo kid]

Ringo Kid: hang on buddy, look at what's comin' north!!

Heh heh, slightly edited version....Better come soon while we still have planty of room. Them Bobcats are chasing all of our Rabbits.

A funny note on Bobcats. I was working night shift at a factory before going to TSTC in Harlingen--72 miles away. Well,the person who rode with me to work--lived a about 5-6 miles from me--heading towards Ricardo--two miles out of Kingsville. There were 2-3 houses on that road--they were 2nd to last. Nohing on either side by--Mesquite trees, cactus--and farmers fields.

I was cruising along on the Wagon Train road--and it was foggy as heck--and before I pulled up to the friends house--a Bobcat had leapt up onto the hood of my car--looked at me and leaped off the otherside--just like it was a normal everyday activity for it. Well, needless to say--I almost made a few bricks in the process. )

 

[LoboGunLeather]

LoboGunLeather , What has happened on the proposed ban on high capacity magazines? Last I remember some company was going to move their business out of CO because if the couldn't sell them there, they weren't going to mfg. there.

The 15-round magazine capacity statute passed in the legislature and has (so far) withstood legal challenges, which are continuing. Colorado police chiefs and sheriffs have repeatedly pointed out that this law is all but impossible to enforce because there is no way to differentiate between a grandfathered pre-ban magazine and one manufactured after the ban. Essentially, no one is paying any particular attention to the new law at this point. Magazines of all types are still readily available. Interestingly enough, magazine manufactured during the 1992 "Assault Weapons Ban" (now expired) and marked for military or law enforcement only under that law are easily recognizable as grandfathered under the Colorado statute.

Two Colorado state senators were successfully recalled from office and replaced last year over this, and other, legislation (background checks for private sales, etc). Another resigned to avoid recall, allowing her political party to appoint a replacement rather than allowing a candidate selected by the voters as part of the recall process.

MagPul Industries is in the process of closing their manufacturing plant in Erie, Colorado, and relocating to Wyoming. MagPul is a leading manufacturer of AR15/M16 magazines. Several hundred jobs have been lost in Colorado. Wyoming welcomed the company with open arms as well as an attractive incentive package to create jobs there (Texas was also in the competition). Only a small regional office will remain in Colorado for the time being.

 

[LVSteve]

Iowa is pretty gun friendly too. You can get a Permit to Acquire for $10, covers all transfers for 1 year. Just fill out the 4473, no NICS check needed. Good to go. CC permits are easy to get also and are good for 5 years, cost depends on the class you take. No NICS reguired with the CC either.

I don't know what checks take place to get a "Permit to Acquire" but I am VERY surprised that BATFE let Iowa say it is good for a year.

 

[pawngal]

I don't know what checks take place to get a "Permit to Acquire" but I am VERY surprised that BATFE let Iowa say it is good for a year.

The check that is done for the Permit to Acquire is the same as NICS check that is done for non-permit holders for purchase of a long gun. You have to have an Iowa Permit of one kind or the other to purchase a handgun in Iowa. This was Iowa law prior to the initiation of the NICS system so it was grandfathered in. Iowa used to be a "May Issue" state on the permits, leaving the decision up to the local sheriff's department, it is now a "Shall Issue" state.

 

[just jim]

The way it should be is a person swipes their drivers license or ID card like a credit card which prints up a document to sign while you are given an instant check to buy a gun. Today's archaic method hurts commerce tremendously and the state loses more in tax revenue that what they make in fees. Had to be someone with a degree in bureaucracy that came up with today's system.

 

[Pilgrim]

I have never had a delay.

Every time the dealer calls, they have an approval number before they can write the date on the form.

I have prior service so that doesn't delay anything.

I didn't buy anything this week, so I don't know how that went...although I did buy one last week...as speedy as ever.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

The way it should be is a person swipes their drivers license or ID card like a credit card which prints up a document to sign while you are given an instant check to buy a gun. Today's archaic method hurts commerce tremendously and the state loses more in tax revenue that what they make in fees. Had to be someone with a degree in bureaucracy that came up with today's system.

This misses the essential point, which is that such laws are specifically intended to make it as difficult as possible for citizens to exercise a guaranteed right that some don't like. Hurting commerce and losses in tax revenues mean nothing to those who support these laws. What counts is constantly adding to the expense and difficulty involved in exercising your rights, to a point that people will simply stop trying to do so.

Background checks, fees, waiting periods, safe storage requirements, registration, taxation, social ostracism via educational programs to brainwash the next generation, all of these things are part and parcel in the incremental war to deprive citizens of their constitutional rights.

 

[hittman77]

I believe the State does the checking here in IL.

Dealer charges me $2.00 which seems about standard here. Never had a delay. Never once.

 

[just jim]

This misses the essential point, which is that such laws are specifically intended to make it as difficult as possible for citizens to exercise a guaranteed right that some don't like. Hurting commerce and losses in tax revenues mean nothing to those who support these laws. What counts is constantly adding to the expense and difficulty involved in exercising your rights, to a point that people will simply stop trying to do so.

Background checks, fees, waiting periods, safe storage requirements, registration, taxation, social ostracism via educational programs to brainwash the next generation, all of these things are part and parcel in the incremental war to deprive citizens of their constitutional rights.

I am in total agreement with you. However if we are stuck with these laws we should never lose a day that we don't point out how poor the systems work.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

I have never had a delay.

Every time the dealer calls, they have an approval number before they can write the date on the form.

I have prior service so that doesn't delay anything.

I didn't buy anything this week, so I don't know how that went...although I did buy one last week...as speedy as ever.

Almost identical experience, except I have a name that only one or two other people have, all of us clean as a whistle. I don't even bother giving my SSN.

Also, it's been a few months for me. If they ever pass a gun-a-month law here, I'm going to have to set aside a little more money.

No charge in MA, and the state paperwork is now on the net, and pretty fast.

 

[Pilgrim]

I've done it with and without the SSN...no difference.

 

[the ringo kid]

I've done it with and without the SSN...no difference.

SHHH,dont give them any more ideas.....