FINALLY.....M&P M2.0 10 MM

[Echo40]

Something which a lot of folks including 10mm Auto aficionados don't know is that the 10mm Auto cartridge was originally designed by Jeff Cooper to launch a 200gr projectile at 1000fps, which he deemed ideal for police, but Norma decided to advertise it as a hotter load which would do 1200fps.
In hindsight, it would appear that their advertisement was false, and they were in fact loading their ammo to Jeff Coopers specifications all along, seeing as old boxes of their ammo consistently chronograph at (give or take) 1000fps.
This is also why the moniker ".40 Short & Wimpy" has always been ignorant, since .40 S&W only runs a teensy bit lighter than their idol Jeff Cooper's original 10mm Auto load. (180gr @ 1000fps vs 200gr @ 1000fps)

In addition, .40 S&W actually conceptually predates 10mm Auto, since it actually dates back to the 1960s when some guys at Smith & Wesson were collaborating with some of the writers for Guns & Ammo Magazine to make a new cartridge for metallic silhouette shooting under the working title ".40 G&A" but eventually the guys behind the concept were no longer employed by Guns & Ammo, so the name was changed to .40 S&W, but when the concept was presented to the executives, the proposition was rejected because the company was focused on defensive handguns at the time and didn't want to put money/resources into the development of a new competition cartridge. However, the project was revisited in the late eighties and was fully realized as a duty cartridge. So the belief that .40 S&W is a shortened 10mm Auto is false. In fact, the 10mm Auto was actually based on the then shelved concept of the .40 G&A, so if anything, 10mm is more of a .40 Long than .40 S&W is a 10mm Short.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

This and the Springfield High Power are temptations.

 

[pacecars]

Sorry but hunters are a niche market in today's world. Less than 15% of gun owners are hunters. Only a small fraction of those use handguns.

As I said, I don't see this as a hunting gun and don't believe that was the market they are after. They have the 610 for hunters

 

[Frank Black]

Something which a lot of folks including 10mm Auto aficionados don't know is that the 10mm Auto cartridge was originally designed by Jeff Cooper to launch a 200gr projectile at 1000fps, which he deemed ideal for police, but Norma decided to advertise it as a hotter load which would do 1200fps.
In hindsight, it would appear that their advertisement was false, and they were in fact loading their ammo to Jeff Coopers specifications all along, seeing as old boxes of their ammo consistently chronograph at (give or take) 1000fps.
This is also why the moniker ".40 Short & Wimpy" has always been ignorant, since .40 S&W only runs a teensy bit lighter than their idol Jeff Cooper's original 10mm Auto load. (180gr @ 1000fps vs 200gr @ 1000fps)

In addition, .40 S&W actually conceptually predates 10mm Auto, since it actually dates back to the 1960s when some guys at Smith & Wesson were collaborating with some of the writers for Guns & Ammo Magazine to make a new cartridge for metallic silhouette shooting under the working title ".40 G&A" but eventually the guys behind the concept were no longer employed by Guns & Ammo, so the name was changed to .40 S&W, but when the concept was presented to the executives, the proposition was rejected because the company was focused on defensive handguns at the time and didn't want to put money/resources into the development of a new competition cartridge. However, the project was revisited in the late eighties and was fully realized as a duty cartridge. So the belief that .40 S&W is a shortened 10mm Auto is false. In fact, the 10mm Auto was actually based on the then shelved concept of the .40 G&A, so if anything, 10mm is more of a .40 Long than .40 S&W is a 10mm Short.

LOL! .... Ah yeah, no. ... Just no.

Completely fake reviso-history.

Historical truth about the 10mm can be found in the late Ron Corrillo's master work, 'Heir Apparent,' as regards the history of the 10mm AUTO cartridge and the Bren Ten pistol.

Cover pic of Corrillo's book attached.

 

[m&p2.0fdethumbsafety]

ultimately the 10mm is too inhumane so they adapted it for self defense against large predators

 

[Echo40]

LOL! .... Ah yeah, no. ... Just no.

Completely fake reviso-history.

Historical truth about the 10mm can be found in the late Ron Corrillo's master work, 'Heir Apparent,' as regards the history of the 10mm AUTO cartridge and the Bren Ten pistol.

Cover pic of Corrillo's book attached.

No, my account is historically accurate. Google ".40 G&A" if you don't believe me. Corrillo got it wrong, hence why I said that this is something not even many 10mm aficionados know.

 

[biku324]

Well, now I'm less enthusiastic. The Smith ad for the M&P 10mm shows 10mm ballastics as a 180 bullet at 1,008 fps. Does that mean no full power 10mm loads? My 40 does better than 180 grains at 1,008 f[s using Longshot or Power Pistol.

 

[Racer X]

I would like to have one in combat mode. I don't want the optics, exterior safety, or whatever these high sights are. I'm interested but not quite ready to pull the plug.

Then order one and swap out the sights. Done.

 

[Dave Lively]

Well, now I'm less enthusiastic. The Smith ad for the M&P 10mm shows 10mm ballastics as a 180 bullet at 1,008 fps. Does that mean no full power 10mm loads? My 40 does better than 180 grains at 1,008 f[s using Longshot or Power Pistol.

Where is the ad you saw?

It probably means S&W tested with ammo from the many major ammo makers that do not load super hot ammo in 10mm and accurately reported the results. It could also be a self defense load that uses a bullet designed for 40 S&W velocities and would expand so much it doesn't penetrate well if driven harder.

There are reviews of the new pistol on YouTube. If you watch them I will bet they test the gun with the hot ammo.

 

[Univibe]

Springfield did the same thing with the XDM. They did a 10,000 round endurance test on video. But they used Hydra-shok ammo, which is self defense stuff that goes only a few feet faster than .40.

On the other hand, I load my XDM up into the 1250+ range. I haven't fired ten thousand of them, but it works just fine. I'm thinking M&P will too.

 

[cmj8591]

No, my account is historically accurate. .

There were actually two, .40 G&A's. One was based on the 30 Remington case and another, called the .40 G&A Magnum, was based on the 224 Weatherby belted case. The 10mm was based on the .40 G&A that used the 30 Remington case and was Cooper's attempt to magnumize it. The G&A 40's were originally chambered in a Browning HiPower. I've never read Corrillo's book so I'm not prepared to say "he got it wrong" but the 40 S&W is based on the 10mm which is based on the .40 G&A.

 

[ldaniel]

I would get it if it had regular sights. I see that the regular M&P sight will not fit the M&P 10mm Rear dovetail.

 

[Neal]

The big question now is: When are they going to be shipped out to the
distributors?

 

[hook63]

I would get it if it had regular sights. I see that the regular M&P sight will not fit the M&P 10mm Rear dovetail.

Hopefully the other options you can see on there website will be available at some point.

 

[biku324]

Where is the ad you saw?

It probably means S&W tested with ammo from the many major ammo makers that do not load super hot ammo in 10mm and accurately reported the results. It could also be a self defense load that uses a bullet designed for 40 S&W velocities and would expand so much it doesn't penetrate well if driven harder.

There are reviews of the new pistol on YouTube. If you watch them I will bet they test the gun with the hot ammo.

It was on the Smith website.

 

[marathonrunner]

I'll have to be convinced, to sell my XDM 10mm and get the Smith.

XDM has a lot of goodies for the 10mm handloader at no extra charge:

1. Standard rifling; good for hardcast bullets (Glock isn't).

2. Mirror polished chamber and barrel, like a 686. Good for hardcast bullets (Glock isn't).

3. Mirror polished feed ramp, good for . . . . .

4. Fully supported chamber, can handle 10mm spec handloads.

You get the idea. I expect the Smith to have standard rifling.

true but the xdm trigger is really meh. I do have a springfield mod2 that I like however

 

[marathonrunner]

SORRY FOR YELLING BUT MY ONE CONCERN, SMITH AND WESSON'S SCREWS THEY SHIP TO MOUNT RED DOT IS 5/64 INCH AND CAN ONLY BE TORQUED DOWN 10 INCH POUNDS! IF YOU GET A SIG ROMEO1 PRO, SIG RECOMMENDS 30 INCH POUNDS. THAT SAID I DO NOT SEE ANY RED DOT STAYING ZEROED VERY LONG WITH THIS MODEL.

 

[Ethang]

SORRY FOR YELLING BUT MY ONE CONCERN, SMITH AND WESSON'S SCREWS THEY SHIP TO MOUNT RED DOT IS 5/64 INCH AND CAN ONLY BE TORQUED DOWN 10 INCH POUNDS! IF YOU GET A SIG ROMEO1 PRO, SIG RECOMMENDS 30 INCH POUNDS. THAT SAID I DO NOT SEE ANY RED DOT STAYING ZEROED VERY LONG WITH THIS MODEL.

A little birdie told me this pistol was developed and tested with full power loads and RDS's to test the reliability of both... we will just have to see if that is the case.

 

[Arthury]

Has anyone done a 25 yard hole-punching on paper yet?
I am curious about the accuracy of their 10mm on the 2.0 platform.

 

[pacecars]

Just picked up my 4" no safety version and brought it home and installed a Swampfox Liberty red dot sight. I switched out the medium grip for the Med-Large and it feels great. Can't wait to shoot it