Well, today is July 1 and Florida's Constitutional Carry law goes into effect. This should prove interesting. My son manages several local gun stores/ranges and I'm wondering if they'll see a major uptick in concealable handgun purchases in the upcoming couple of weeks. My wife, a CCW permit holder, is not a big fan of this new law...she's concerned mostly for LEOs and how they will safely handle certain concealed weapons situations. Also that gang members, drug dealers, and other miscreants can now legally CCW (I'm not going to get into the whole big mess about felons that have weapons). I'm more concerned about the number of people buying guns for the first time that have no training and no idea of how to CCW. I've been a CCW permit holder for decades and that will continue. I like not having to suffer through a waiting period whenever I make a purchase, and also the ability to travel to other states and CCW legally (in states with reciprocity, of course). There are now 26 states that allow constitutional carry, and I'm not hearing of any major issues in those states. However, Florida has a slightly different social mix and "flavor", so I guess that only time will tell.
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Wrangler Rich
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I tend to agree with your thoughts on gangbangers, drug dealers, and miscreants, however, how did that group procure their firearms initially? It surely would not be by legal means.
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Nothing changes. Thugs carried before, cops handled people carrying before. So much scaremongering.
Looked out the window this morning and the street is still asphalt gray. No blood running yet. Local gun store reported an uptick in gun sales and range use. I worry more about the gun-toting Bozos than the gangsters. Our good governor signed a bill allowing radioactive materials to be used in road building, so we're all going to die a "glowing" death anyhow. A gun shot would be quicker than radiation poisoning.
The miscreants you mention above are already carrying with no reguard for the laws.........So what's new?
I was at the gunshow this morning. I was expecting bullets to fly all over the parking lot from accidental discharges. I found nothing but HOT out there. Joe
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Everybody made all kind predictions when Texas did it. Big giant Nothing Burger.
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Uh-oh! A Constitutional Carry thread, prepare for mass downvotes from all the lurking anti-gunners, firearms instructors, and jealous users who had to jump through hoops for the privilege of carrying a firearm concealed in their state.
Congratulations, Floridians!
Congratulations, Floridians!
The people who will be allowed to legally carry under the constitutional carry laws are the same people who would be allowed to carry under the old laws, albeit without an 8 hour class. The people that couldn't get a permit before July 1 still cannot carry legally. I suspect most people that obey laws will seek out knowledge and training before they carry. Nothing has changed in regards to criminals or gang member carrying. So nothing appreciable has changed with regards to who will be carrying.
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What's new, is now the cops can do nothing about it.
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LoboGunLeather
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I disagree. Most cops are not stupid; they understand that a person with a concealed carry permit has been subjected to a full background investigation (no significant criminal history, no warrants, no civil protection orders, etc), while Joe Bozo who left his ID at home this morning requires a bit more attention. Persons prohibited from firearms ownership do not have a Get Out of Jail Free card now that permitless carry is allowed.
If anything, the arrogant jerk who thinks he can carry now despite his criminal history is likely to find himself in need of a bail bondsman, as he should.
What hoops?
When I moved to Florida my concealed carry package was waiting in my mail box the day I arrived.
I got a Florida drivers license, and found a private detective that was authorized to give the classes. At that time I think the county only held them once a month.
Took the test part at a book store, then left to go to a range in Jax for the shooting part. Mailed it in and had my permit in 52 days.
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They wont know if someone can or cannot legally carry. The "Your papers sir" doesn't fly here, yet. They cant GIVE them "a bit of extra attention" now. And no one needs to produce identification, or a permit, if they have one, or not.( If there is no crime they are suspected of) At least where I live. This is what people want? Great.
Did this guy need a bail bondsman?
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I picked this one Because it is close by me, and I remembered it. Last week or so ago, CT banned open carry, ironically.
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pacecars
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With the new law if you are carrying without a permit you must have ID on you and produce it upon request of a law enforcement officer
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Florida's new permitless carry law is for concealed carry only,
Florida has certain exceptions that allow for open carry such as if u r enroute to or actively hunting, camping , fishing and iirc they added going to the gun range as well.
Florida has certain exceptions that allow for open carry such as if u r enroute to or actively hunting, camping , fishing and iirc they added going to the gun range as well.
Not including Texas there are 26 other states that allow permitless concealed carry. The same predictions were made for them too.
Not exactly true. Felony possession of a firearm remains the same, permit-less carry legal or not.
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The gentleman in the video is generally correct, we are under no legal obligation to produce identification upon demand. On the other hand, the Supreme Court has ruled that LEOs may require a person to identify himself (name, age, address) and explain his activities at a particular location, as well as conduct a pat-down check for weapons as a means of maintaining safety, when reasonable suspicion exists (which is a very low bar). As the police sergeant in the video stated, LEOs were responding to reports of a MWAG in the area. Today's LEOs are equipped with communications systems and high speed data services that can usually confirm an identity and locate any criminal history within minutes.
Even without identification or a name, a fairly simple investigation can establish identity and search criminal history in a short period of time, and if the identified individual is prohibited an arrest warrant can be obtained easily enough.
A person may be able to bluff his way through such an encounter, but that could potentially bring even more serious legal problems.
A prohibited person carrying a firearm, regardless of "constitutional carry" laws, is inviting himself to several years in a federal facility. Naturally, some will do just that because they are foolish, reckless, arrogant (or all three), and that is probably a good way to rid our communities of such people.
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