Flying with Guns - Part II

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I always fly with my guns, especially when I go to Florida so that I can go shoot with my dad. This time I took along my PPS and the Kel-Tec P3AT, in a padlocked box in my suitcase with a TSA lock on that. I got the red inspection tag at the airport inspection and all's well.

Coming back Wednesday morning, instead of the reverse route from Melbourne to Atlanta to Scranton, I had to go from Melbourne to Atlanta to Detroit to Scranton, with a 3-hour layover in Detroit. The wind in Detroit buffeted the large 767 before landing and, an hour into the layover, I re-checked the departure board for the 2:00 PM Scranton flight to find out it was cancelled.

Customer Service told me the next flight to Scranton wasn't until 9:00PM, arriving at 11:00pm. Ugh. But I could fly into Newburgh NY, leaving at 2:00 and arriving at 4:00. Great. Charlie could pick me up and we'd just drive out to Scranton the following day to retrieve the Escape from parking.

"Now, Customer Service, be sure to re-tag my suitcase for NEWBURGH."
"Yes, yes. Let me enter your baggage tag number into the system. What does your bag look like? No problem."

Land in Newburgh, NY - no suitcase. The agent assumed the suitcase was still tagged for Scranton and would be on the night flight.

I called early Thursday morning. The delayed luggage system "can't find" the suitcase. They suggest I check in later. I called after the morning flight in from Detroit. They still can't find the suitcase. I called after the afternoon flight. No information. So I started getting nervous and I told the agent, "Listen. They have to find that bag. There's guns in it." She kind of gasped and said, "What kind of guns?" I said, "Handguns. And I sure would hate if someone else just picked off my bag and walked away with it." She said, "I'll put a note in the system" which is basically, it seems, an electronic black hole.

We drove out to Scranton late yesterday and instead of going up to an agent, we went down to baggage to see if my suitcase was sitting on a conveyer belt, alone, going around & around. An agent said, "Oh, was this for the cancelled Detroit flight yesterday?" Yes! The bag was locked up in their backroom, safe, sound & unopened.

But it had somehow gone to PITTSBURGH before arriving at Scranton. Pittsburgh, Newburgh -- close enough.
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I realized when the bag was missing that I really had no proof the guns were in there. The next time I take them along, I'm going to ask for an agent-signed copy of the inspection red tag to be handed to me as proof I had checked the guns in that bag.
 
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I always fly with my guns, especially when I go to Florida so that I can go shoot with my dad. This time I took along my PPS and the Kel-Tec P3AT, in a padlocked box in my suitcase with a TSA lock on that. I got the red inspection tag at the airport inspection and all's well.

Coming back Wednesday morning, instead of the reverse route from Melbourne to Atlanta to Scranton, I had to go from Melbourne to Atlanta to Detroit to Scranton, with a 3-hour layover in Detroit. The wind in Detroit buffeted the large 767 before landing and, an hour into the layover, I re-checked the departure board for the 2:00 PM Scranton flight to find out it was cancelled.

Customer Service told me the next flight to Scranton wasn't until 9:00PM, arriving at 11:00pm. Ugh. But I could fly into Newburgh NY, leaving at 2:00 and arriving at 4:00. Great. Charlie could pick me up and we'd just drive out to Scranton the following day to retrieve the Escape from parking.

"Now, Customer Service, be sure to re-tag my suitcase for NEWBURGH."
"Yes, yes. Let me enter your baggage tag number into the system. What does your bag look like? No problem."

Land in Newburgh, NY - no suitcase. The agent assumed the suitcase was still tagged for Scranton and would be on the night flight.

I called early Thursday morning. The delayed luggage system "can't find" the suitcase. They suggest I check in later. I called after the morning flight in from Detroit. They still can't find the suitcase. I called after the afternoon flight. No information. So I started getting nervous and I told the agent, "Listen. They have to find that bag. There's guns in it." She kind of gasped and said, "What kind of guns?" I said, "Handguns. And I sure would hate if someone else just picked off my bag and walked away with it." She said, "I'll put a note in the system" which is basically, it seems, an electronic black hole.

We drove out to Scranton late yesterday and instead of going up to an agent, we went down to baggage to see if my suitcase was sitting on a conveyer belt, alone, going around & around. An agent said, "Oh, was this for the cancelled Detroit flight yesterday?" Yes! The bag was locked up in their backroom, safe, sound & unopened.

But it had somehow gone to PITTSBURGH before arriving at Scranton. Pittsburgh, Newburgh -- close enough.
icon_rolleyes.gif


I realized when the bag was missing that I really had no proof the guns were in there. The next time I take them along, I'm going to ask for an agent-signed copy of the inspection red tag to be handed to me as proof I had checked the guns in that bag.
 
When Delta lost my luggage for 24 hrs I was sweating it but to lose luggage with guns in it would really put me on edge! Glad all turned out well!
 
No guns involved, but TWA lost my bag on the way to the Soviet Union. I spent three weeks there with one change of clothes. They finally found it in a warehouse in Newark two weeks after I returned to the United States.

I'm glad you got your bag back, and I'm certainly glad you're armed again.
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Barb, you were stuck in Detroit?!? Wish I woulda known, I would've taken you to the Wheat and Rye for a burger.

When I was traveling to Florida every month for business, Southwest lost my suitcase which was packed for the 4 weeks I was going to be down there. Since I stay with my business partner it was no big deal, but I was a tad upset. They ended up giving me a $75 travel voucher and then sending my bag by cab the next day when it finally turned up.

I haven't tried dealing with the hassle of traveling with guns, but there are many times I wish I had my J frame when I was down there. One of the salesmen once loaned me his SP101 which is why I want to get one now.
 
I had almost the same experience going from Las Vegas to Toronto, Canada to Frankfurt, Germany.

I mean what I have experienced with Air Canada and their so called agents brought me to the point close to going postal.

In this life I will never ever board an Air Canada flight again - NO WAY!
 
I think that once a year, someone should put all the belongings of TSA employees in suitcases and randomly fly their stuff all over the world.
 
BTW, you didn't mention which airline but I forgot to add what Delta means
Don't
Expect
Luggage
To
Arrive
 
Originally posted by 2Loud4You:
BTW, you didn't mention which airline but I forgot to add what Delta means
Don't
Expect
Luggage
To
Arrive
...or "Don't Even Leave The Airport"....
 
I flew on AirTran last week and the agent did not want me to have ammo in the same suitcase as the firearm. Therefore, my wife carried the ammo. Also on the way down, the agent attached the red firearm tag to the handle of the guncase. On the way back, the agent put the tag inside the guncase and had no problem with the ammo being in the same suitcase.
 
I always make a point of flying with at least one gun when I fly (which is something I avoid as much as possible in the post-9/11 era of TSA). I put knives and other valuables in the gun case. I figure someone has to be really determined to steal the case, because it would involve a firearms crime and likely involve the ATFE and FBI. If they want it badly enough, there's really nothing I as a customer can do about it, but it really ups the ante for them.
 
I figure someone has to be really determined to steal the case, because it would involve a firearms crime and likely involve the ATFE and FBI.

Nope. I had a similar experience to Barb's about a year ago. No agency offered to get involved. Barb's right --- the airline baggage system is a "black hole" There's no tracking system, no procedure or system to locate your missing luggage, it's run by uncaring, incompetent, idiots, some of whom are thieves (some loser stole my electric razor from my USAirways luggage last summer.} Search/see my previous posts on this topic... Airline passengers are at the mercy of fools.
 
Originally posted by max:
I flew on AirTran last week and the agent did not want me to have ammo in the same suitcase as the firearm. Therefore, my wife carried the ammo. Also on the way down, the agent attached the red firearm tag to the handle of the guncase. On the way back, the agent put the tag inside the guncase and had no problem with the ammo being in the same suitcase.

I would suggest you print the TSA regs (from the website) next time. The tag is NOT to be on the outside. And, ammo CAN be carried with the firearm.

These regs are specified rather quite clearly.

Be safe.
 
Anyone who has never worked for an airline cannot possibly imagine what it is like to have ten hours of calls and face-to-face customers all convinced that they have a need greater than the rest of the 60,000 fliers that you just dealt with - every single day.

Luggage gets misplaced. It happens.

I have had only one chance to "lose" a bag containing a firearm. It lasted only one night, and it was delivered to my hand just after breakfast. I fly over a hundred flights every year, and usually have a gun traveling with me.

Sometimes with long guns, I do ship my gun(s) ahead to the hotel or address of destination. With the tracking software today, there is almost no chance of losing a package forever. JMHE.
 
Just curious, if you had to leave the airport in Detroit, because of a cancellation, and come back to take a different flight, how would one go about retrieving their gun from a checked bag?? I now I would not want to brave Detroit without my gun...
 
My father arrived in Alaska for a moose hunt several years ago. His custom 98 Mauser in 35 Whelen arrived soon after.....in another country! He was VERY unhappy. He recieved it about three days later.
 
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