Forcing Cone Erosion/Cracking.

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I wonder about it. It is not uncommon to hear concerns expressed about the issue of forcing cone erosion/cracking. I've read all sorts of comments on the subject. And it's gotten me to thinking (always a dangerous thing) about it.

I have been shooting the hound out of various S&W revolvers since 1980. I've not ever cracked a barrel, boogered up a forcing cone, etc. I have in that time however shot one 28-2 with hot heavy loads to the point that it was "old before it's time." That is the only revolver that I ever used so hard that it was seriously worn. I fired a pickup truck load of hot 125 gr. and 158 gr. jacketed handloads through that revolver. I wanted loads so hot that they'd slay anything in North America. I remember the throat on that revolver got to the point that it would fuzz patches when I was cleaning it. I guess nothing last forever. At the time I was not aware that there was any possibility of rebarreling a revolver. I assumed the revolver was worn out. So I took it down to the local gun shop and traded it off for something new.

It's about like shooting hot .22 centerfire rifle cartridges. The .220 Swift has a reputation for being hard on barrels/throats. Competitive shooters firing at long range deal with the erosion of throats, etc. With some intense calibers, a barrel may only last a few thousand rounds before best accuracy is gone. Setting the barrel back and rechambering is often a good fix allowing the barrel to be used further into the future. Some use less intense rounds at the same distances. On target results are often just as good or even better. But intense rounds will wear out barrels faster than standard calibers. That is just the way things work.

When I was a student in seminary I had a 03-A3 through which I poured rounds on a every Saturday basis, firing a cigar box or two of G.I. ball, homeloads, factory loads... whatever I could get my hands on. I had a little 130 gr. JHP load that was in retrospect scalding hot. With the rear sight bottomed out it was dead on at 300 yds. and would, in my first year of shooting, hold 10 shots inside 4 inches at that distance from a sandbagged rest. I shot that rifle hard, often getting the barrel so hot that the oil seeped out of the forearm of the stock. By the time I was ready to graduate, that barrel was in not good shape. A gunsmith rebarreled it for me using a surplus 03-A3 barrel. The rifle returned to shooting beautiful 1.5 MOA groups. He split the removed barrel and showed me the throat, etc. where the consequences of heavy use were very evident.

Today I shoot 03, 03-A3 and M-1 Garands rifles. I don't shoot them with the hottest reloads I can cobble up. I don't make a practice of shooting 10 round strings of rapid fire. I have even developed some "popper" loads that are more mid-range that long-range in nature. They are very accurate. But they are not suitable for shooting the Big Five down on the dark continent.

Recently I bought a 66-2. It's a pretty little thing. And... once I get moved to my new pastoral assignment, I'll be loading for it. I can see a few 125 gr. JHP's in it's future... and a lot of 158 gr. lead SWC's. I will not be subjecting it to a routine diet of heavy hot light bullet magnum loads. Why. Because no matter what I do, nothing last forever. And I've learned from experience that if I pound away with a revolver or rifle using hot heavy loads with light bullets, there will come a point sooner than later when I will have deal with barrel issues. I will not damage one of my precious 03, 03-A3 or M-1 rifles by such carelessness. And I will not do so to this 66-2. If I want to shoot the hot heavy magnum rounds, I'll do so using revolvers for which I can get replacement parts that are current stock rather than oddities for which I have to scrounge. (The foregoing has been brought to you by a half a pot of coffee, a prior late night of studying and my own bent to engage in a little "reflective" thought"). Sincerely. brucev.
 
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A friend of mine has a very nice Model 19. He has cracked two forcing cones so far and the gunsmith told him the last time that barrels for Model 19s were becoming scarce. We talked about it and he told me that he was loading 125 grain JSPs to about 1300 - 1400 FPS. The light bullet accelerates very quickly and slaps into the forcing cone with a lot of impact. He has switched to 158 grain JSPs and has moderated his loads to about 1100 FPS. The heavier bullet will accelerate more slowly and "eases" into the forcing cone with less impact. I also discussed flame-cutting of the top strap with him and he realized that there is no fix for that except a new gun. A heavier bullet at a lower speed will still have the foot-pounds that a light, high-speed bullet has and with less potential for damage to the revolver.

Russ
 
Back in the 1950s, I had a Model 70, 30-06. I was out in the Texas summer sun at midday shooting about 100 rounds of AP ammo. When time cam to leave, I knelt down to tighten the sling. I had my shirt off; the barrel rested against my collar bone and I heard something go "thsssst'. I had a burn about two inches long across my collar bone. At that time, the Army summer uniform was startched khakis, which abraded that burn unmercifully for a week or so until it healed.

I've had a few guns with high round count, but had no problem with them. One was a match 45 which I shot for two seasons on an Army pistol team. We were shooting 'match grade' ECS 43 steel case, which broke extractors at 1500-2000 rounds. I replaced several extractors, but shot almost 10,000 rounds through that pistol in two years and saw no erosion in the bore. Another was a 1959 vintage Model 41, 22 target pistol. I campaigned that pistol for several years, and shot over 16,000 rounds,indoor and outdoor, but saw no degradation of accuracy. I even shot it over the international slow fire match course, a two hour long course of fire (the usual pistol for this is a Hammerli free pistol). The next day I shot the International Rapid Fire match. After I retired from match shooting, I replaced all the springs in it as it was having extraction problems. I still have it. i haven't shot a rifle enough to wear out the barrel.
 
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The late gun writer Jack O'Connor liked the 7X57mm, as did his wife. But he went to the.270 in the 1930's in part because the 7mm is chambered (barrel throat) for the long 175 grain bullets. If he shot 139 grainers, he felt it washed out barrel throats too soon.

Maybe modern barrel steel endures that better. I'm guessing that the same issue may apply to the .280 Remington, but have never heard of it happening.

I avoid light bullets in the K-frame .357 and shoot magnum loads only about 15% of the time. I do carry them in the gun if I suspect the power will be needed.
 
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