Whitwabit
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In Illinois if its a good shoot the Family can't sue you !! it's written in the Conceal Carry Law ..
Fox News Video Story: Shoot to kill vs shoot to wound?
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Rastoff
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I completely agree Richard. Shot placement trumps all. Still have to have enough energy to do some damage, but if you can't place it where it needs to be, all the energy in the world won't help.
This is what everyone SHOULD be taught to do and to say if they are ever asked this sort of stupid question.
FoxNews doesn't do much better than CNN or any other news outlet in reporting gun issues. Some of their reporters are clearly anti 2A, and most of the one that aren't are woefully ignorant on anything to do with guns or shooting.
FoxNews doesn't do much better than CNN or any other news outlet in reporting gun issues. Some of their reporters are clearly anti 2A, and most of the one that aren't are woefully ignorant on anything to do with guns or shooting.
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PPS1980
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It's shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. All the rest is fodder for arguments.
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Maybe it's just me, but I was taught the central nervous system (for our purposes) was the medulla oblongata (brain stem) and the spine down to the C7 vertebra. Neither are in the center chest.
Yes, shot placement trumps the rest of the stuff-assuming sufficient energy to reach and damage vital systems and structures.
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Rastoff
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Not exactly. Yes, I completely agree that shot placement is at the top of the list, but energy isn't completely unimportant either.
If I hit you directly in the heart with a feather, it's probably not going to stop you.
Here's how we say it in my martial arts school:
ASP- An Asp is a very nasty little snake. Not the most deadly, but still nasty. So we use it as an acronym to remember what's important...
Accuracy
Speed
Power
Power- When talking about firearms, is what you brought. You can't change it or increase that power. This is why we talk about it, but it's last in the acronym; it is what it is.
Speed- You have to have some speed or your beaten before you can defend yourself. You have to bring your defense as fast as you can. If you don't, they may finish you first.
Accuracy- You might have an 88 magnum, you might bring it to bear in .01 seconds, but if you don't hit your target, it's wasted. Anyone, ANYONE can miss fast. Slow and accurate is better than fast and missing.
So, be accurate. Practice your accuracy a lot and you will become faster. Bring enough power to solve the situation. Yes, even the lowly .22LR can be enough if you're fast and accurate.
Be on the same page????????
People DON'T WANT to be on the same page. That way they can confuse issues. e.g. If you are against legal immigration, you hate immigrants and every argument that comes up about the issue is said to be about 'immigration'. Not, ILLEGAL immigration.
Terms in the use of guns are even more easily able to sow confusion, as we have seen with 'ghost guns', 'assault rifles' and the like.
People DON'T WANT to be on the same page. That way they can confuse issues. e.g. If you are against legal immigration, you hate immigrants and every argument that comes up about the issue is said to be about 'immigration'. Not, ILLEGAL immigration.
Terms in the use of guns are even more easily able to sow confusion, as we have seen with 'ghost guns', 'assault rifles' and the like.
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gunner
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I do not shoot to kill. i do not shoot to wound. I do shoot to stop
As long as Hollywood continues to show movie/TV heros who shoot someone in the leg (e.g., wound) this myth will never go away. I've been "there" and even as a uniform cop you have zero time to take an aimed shot. Those who have control over this have no interest in the truth, only selling their product for the most profit they can.
Shoot to wound is the reason they came up with the 1911 way back when.
A cardinal rule of tactical firearms training is realistic scenarios that the good guy can win if he deploys as he's taught.
Military accepts casualties and fatalities as business costs.
Civilian law enforcement seeks to mitigate or, if possible, eliminate casualties and fatalities.
Inside of an hour I could teach most women to do what the the woman if the video did, which was very ordinary. Targets don't shoot back. Simunition is tactical firearms training. I wonder how well that woman would do under simulated high stress tactical training.
Military accepts casualties and fatalities as business costs.
Civilian law enforcement seeks to mitigate or, if possible, eliminate casualties and fatalities.
Inside of an hour I could teach most women to do what the the woman if the video did, which was very ordinary. Targets don't shoot back. Simunition is tactical firearms training. I wonder how well that woman would do under simulated high stress tactical training.
ridgewalker
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Don't forget there is another option besides shoot to kill and shoot to wound.
The Lone Ranger and Roy Rodgers would usually shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand, disarming the threat and resulting in nothing worse than a sore hand.
The Lone Ranger and Roy Rodgers would usually shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand, disarming the threat and resulting in nothing worse than a sore hand.
keith44spl
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But, but, I never saw the Lone Ranger, Roy, Gene, or Hoppy do anything but shoot the gun out of the BG's hand. Where has our marksmanship gone?
Yeah Boy!!!!
I personally like to use silver bullets. Ya know, jest to lessen the risk of infection.
And, ya never know when ya might need to dispatch a vampire.
But, as ol Doc Holiday once declared to Marshal Earp, "Don't worry Wyatt, I jest wing'd him!"
So, this fox news story is just about as silly as Doc's admission.
Oh, before I forget, this thread needs more pictures...
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Shoot to stop the threat!
I do NOT know anyone that "wants to shoot" people good or bad! With that said people cause themselves to be shot..... stupid is as stupid does
I do NOT know anyone that "wants to shoot" people good or bad! With that said people cause themselves to be shot..... stupid is as stupid does
otasan56
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I shoot to wound, hopefully hitting the central nervous system. If the felon dies, oh well.
Side tracking, why does everyone presume they're going to be viciously attacked by a dude with a swastika tattooed on his forehead?
Pro-tip: Family, friends, and neighbors will try to kill you, too, and plenty of SD-in-the-home shootings wind up being some dopey drunk, and not Ronnie the Habitual Re-Offender.
If you're mentally psyching yourself to do battle with a third-striker, it's gonna be real funny watching you get blindsided by your schizophrenic brother-in-law.
Pro-tip: Family, friends, and neighbors will try to kill you, too, and plenty of SD-in-the-home shootings wind up being some dopey drunk, and not Ronnie the Habitual Re-Offender.
If you're mentally psyching yourself to do battle with a third-striker, it's gonna be real funny watching you get blindsided by your schizophrenic brother-in-law.
If I ever have to defend myself or another with deadly force, I am going to do whatever it takes at that time. Then, keep my big mouth shut and let an attorney answer the what whys and wheres.
History has shown that many times a large number of rounds have been fired with a small percentage actually striking the intended target.
History has shown that many times a large number of rounds have been fired with a small percentage actually striking the intended target.
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