Fox News Video Story: Shoot to kill vs shoot to wound?

[Karnivore]

Just watched this story on Fox News website. The story was ok, except when they were shooting pistols at the gun range.

Maybe I am out of touch, as I have not been at a public range for many years. The thing that bothered me was the girl shooting a simi auto pistol at a target. The thing was that she was shooting through a maybe 4" x 6" hole in a piece of thick plywood and she was back about 12" to 14" from the plywood barrier.

Does this seen dangerous to anyone but me? I would think that you might get a ricochet, deflection, splatter or a bounce back if you failed to clear the cutout hole. The bullet may not go where it is intended to go.

Is this a normal setup at pistol ranges these days?

Please see the attached pics.

Thanks, Karnivore

 

[Smoke]

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Na126MDUBE[/ame]

Looks like some type of competition

 

[SC_Mike]

She appears to be wearing eye, and hearing protection. IMHO those are the big issues.

Also, I shoot to stop the threat. Not to kill or wound.

 

[rwsmith]

People still ask....

People ask why they don't shoot people in the legs to disable them. I try to explain how unrealistic that is. I did see a SEAL demo how when he pulled his gun out of the holster, he started firing at the perps feet while raising the gun and by the time he got up to the torso he'd let off four rounds....

 

[Aticus]

I could be wrong but that looks like a local IPSC competition.

 

[okiegtrider]

Link to the article?

 

[Rastoff]

No, I don't see an issue with that at all. If she misses the hole there is no risk of ricochet. This is why they use plywood.

 

[tops]

The thing was that she was shooting through a maybe 4" x 6" hole in a piece of thick plywood and she was back about 12" to 14" from the plywood barrier.

Does this seen dangerous to anyone but me? I would think that you might get a ricochet, deflection, splatter or a bounce back if you failed to clear the cutout hole. The bullet may not go where it is intended to go.

Wood will deflect a bullet and that is why when hunting in the woods a person has to have a clear path between the gun and target.

Once when shooting sporting clays my brother hit a tree about 15 feet in front of the stand and felt a sting on his arm and saw a drop of blood. He wiped off the blood but several days later it festered up and he removed a splinter of wood. Splatter and bounce back is possible and she is a lot closer that 15 ft. Larry

 

[Arik]

Just watched this story on Fox News website. The story was ok, except when they were shooting pistols at the gun range.

Maybe I am out of touch, as I have not been at a public range for many years. The thing that bothered me was the girl shooting a simi auto pistol at a target. The thing was that she was shooting through a maybe 4" x 6" hole in a piece of thick plywood and she was back about 12" to 14" from the plywood barrier.

Does this seen dangerous to anyone but me? I would think that you might get a ricochet, deflection, splatter or a bounce back if you failed to clear the cutout hole. The bullet may not go where it is intended to go.

Is this a normal setup at pistol ranges these days?

Please see the attached pics.

Thanks, Karnivore

That's not typical range. That's a competition set up.


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[growr]

USPSA stage

 

[MichiganScott]

If you get splatter or bounce back from a piece of plywood 12" to 14" in front of your muzzle you need a bigger gun.

 

[OKFC05]

A competitor shooting plywood soft cover does not bother me ( I have personally chewed a hole or 2 myself). but people shooting into the plastic barrels spooks me, listening to the WHIRRR as the bullet spins down inside.

 

[shawn mccarver]

The silliness never seems to go away. The idea that a person defending his life should be required to "shoot to wound" by shooting the aggressor in the arm or leg is so ridiculous on so many levels that it amazes me that any journalist would run with such a story.

With as many misses as LEOs have shooting for the torso, I would hate to see how many innocents are taken out when LEOs start intentionally shooting for the extremities.

 

[CapnMic]

That Fox news story was disturbing on a number of issues. Shoot to kill vs shoot to wound was repeated by the media reporter at least three times .. and such a straw man argument never goes well.

I know of no law tolerant of "intent to kill nor intent to wound" and the only correct response to such insistence on the part of the reporter would be that one shoots to stop the threat .. that is all. Three times she repeated the "theme" and it was only addressed correctly once ..

I'm more than a little concerned that people gloss over the "use of force" aspects of gun ownership .. instead concerning themselves with other aspects related to using a firearm. Folks, we really need to be on the same page on this issue

 

[adwjc]

Typical media ignorance or misinformation.

It is called "deadly force" for a reason; not to say that after the fact someone might claim otherwise, depending on the outcome.

 

[Retired Chief]

I once testified in court as the firearm instructor of the cop involved in a fatal shooting. When asked if I taught the officers to shoot to kill or shoot to wound, I replied that I taught the officers to shoot the offender until he quit doing whatever it was that made the officer shoot him in the first place. Might have been the long way around, but it emphasized that it was the "other guy", not the officer, that caused the "other guy" to get shot.

 

[DevilDog72]

The plywood is a non issue. The subject matter is another story. If you are shooting at the arms...legs, most likely missing, the BG is closing in on you. It seems to me the idea is to stop the threat as soon as you can and to do so you must stop the motor... center mass first. If the shots are fatal... oh well.

 

[les.b]

Well, check out this thread I just started this afternoon. This is my hometown, and at about midnight last night, three perpetrators attempted a home invasion/robbery on an 80 year old man. Please note his response, and the police statement exonerating the "old" gentleman, (I know, old is a relative term), and the comments left by those who had viewed the newscasts.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...7-elderly-man-defends-self-home-invasion.html

I think he responded pretty well for an older fellow, sitting at home minding his own business. Check out the thread, and let me know what you think...

Regards, Les

 

[L-2]

I watched the news clip on Youtube, here:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCDLkXk2LdM[/ame]

First the male interviewee demonstrated the technique, which had him placing the muzzle through the rectangular hole. Then the reporter, Hollie McKay, was recorded showing her shooting with the muzzle behind the hole. Whether she was supposed to repeat the shooting stage with the muzzle placed through the hole or not is unclear. She did a good job at shooting through the hole, a possible alternate method, as she didn't hit any wood.

These step barricades are generally not available to the public but might be used in competition, instruction, or a weapons qualification course.

The step barricades I've used didn't have the "hole" cutout and were used to shoot over or around.

 

[Moe Mentum]

I liked that, " shoot to wound" a comment like that could only come from the media.... Like its a John Wayne movie or something.