From the Sig Forum....P320 fails drop testing..orders being cancelled

[rperillo05]

It would be virtually impossible if the department issued a drop holster. It would hit the belt attachment before it could ever get close to the back of the gun.

That's what I'm saying, based off of what I am reading, his weapon was holstered on his gun belt which was off his body, he went to put it in his vehicle, fell, then went off when it hit the ground? 2+2=7 apparently? Unless it fell out of his holster when it fell too. But don't even some agencies require double retention?

We definitely must be missing some details. Have the details been released anywhere?

 

[Kanewpadle]

It would be virtually impossible if the department issued a drop holster. It would hit the belt attachment before it could ever get close to the back of the gun.

One word........INERTIA. If this the problem, it doesn't matter what type of holster is used.

 

[Kanewpadle]

And this statement from Sig is a cop out.

"Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge."

 

[Brasky]

Has anybody been shot by dropping a Sig P320?

I think there is every bit of relevance, one has not happened apparently outside a garage lab. The other happens continually due to Glock's required trigger pull for breakdown. Which the injuries have been many.

BTW Jennings was successfully sued for the same issue for breakdown. It put them out of business.

Funny how when a gun manufacturer puts out a faulty product people jump to blaming another big gun manufacturer that isn't even related.

"Well if I pull the trigger of a loaded Glock while it's pointed at my leg I'll get injured and lots of cops do this."

Sorry but that's a bad excuse instead of addressing the issue this thread was started for. If anyone disassembles a Glock (or any firearm) without double checking the chamber is empty then they shouldn't be handling a firearm.

 

[mag318]

This morning 14 August on Sigs website they announced a voluntary upgrade to address this very real problem. You fill out an online form and they will send you a shipping label at some point. With 500,000 P320s out there I imagine it's going to take awhile, we'll see. Their announcement further states a 4/6 week turn around time frame.
Anyone with a P320 that's interested just go to Sigs web site for further info. Damn, I just bought this P320 X-VTAC a couple days ago and now it has to go back to the factory.

 

[ladder13]

This morning 14 August on Sigs website they announced a voluntary upgrade to address this very real problem...........

All's well, there's no problem folks. Now about those Glocks......

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

This morning 14 August on Sigs website they announced a voluntary upgrade to address this very real problem. You fill out an online form and they will send you a shipping label at some point. With 500,000 P320s out there I imagine it's going to take awhile, we'll see. Their announcement further states a 4/6 week turn around time frame.
Anyone with a P320 that's interested just go to Sigs web site for further info. Damn, I just bought this P320 X-VTAC a couple days ago and now it has to go back to the factory.

Where is the form? I'm on their website

Update: Never mind! Found it

 

[white cloud]

I can't believe they are drop testing these guns indoors with no barrier between them and gun. Aren't they shooting holes in the ceiling or walls? What if that gun does not get dropped straight and shoots back at the tester or film crew? Maybe I misssed something and they have pulled the bullets?

Exactly! I about hemorrhaged green paint when I saw this.

 

[LVSteve]

Is a gunshot wound not a gun shot wound by a different mistake?

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. Sig need to focus on fixing the issue, not trying to score points while their back is against the wall. Their attitude is symptomatic of the unwillingness of people to accept responsibility and get on with what needs to be done. Disassembly is NOT the issue at hand, Sig needs to shut up about it.

Here's an example of what I mean:

Mercedes have had huge issues with their 7-speed transmissions going back to the early 2000s. If you were a Mercedes owner who had been stranded in an intersection and wrecked, would you be interested if Mercedes came back and said, "Um yeah, whatever, but have you seen all the BMWs with high pressure fuel pump issues?"

Trying to deflect criticism by lashing out at others is a prime indication of the slide in our society's morals. Corporations are as guilty of this nonsense as much as individuals.

 

[Walkingwolf]

It's only a issue for those who chronically drop their guns. Don't like Sigs, it is simple don't buy one. The crying is silly, one there has been very few instances(one) of sigs going boom when dropped. Much less than instances of Glocks going kaboom. Two it is really not up to others what a person buys or carries, so it is pretty much a waste of time. Someone who likes their Sig is going to ignore you. When it comes to safety there are more problems with drawstrings pulling triggers than drop issues.

My concern is people who should not own a striker fired gun without a manual safety are the ones who want them the most. If they shoot themselves I just don't care. But when they shoot others while breaking down their Glock, then that is a problem.

Glocks are marketed to newbie gun owners, Sigs are marketed to gun aficionados. Glocks are just as dangerous as Sigs, different ways but there have been more Glock instances than Sig.

If I buy a Edsel, and love them, then all the whining in the world about how bad they are does not matter. You do know that there are actual collectors of Edsels out there?

I personally do not own a Sig, but BS is BS, and this issue IS BS. Do you own a Sig?

 

[BE Mike]

And this statement from Sig is a cop out.

"Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge."

It's just CYA, you know, the same thing that happens in the military and everywhere else. The P320's passed all the tests in place at the time. The problem is the tests didn't include one that shows the weakness of this pistol. You can be sure that Sig's attorney's are contributing to every statement.

 

[Pondoro]

One word........INERTIA. If this the problem, it doesn't matter what type of holster is used.

Not exactly. Gun plus belt falling on the back of the slide = extra weight, harder impact. Maybe at the inopportune angle. Gun falls and hits on the soft holster and the soft leather absorbs some impact before the gun gets its jolt. So the inertia has different effects. But I'm not one to start telling holster makers that the holster is the solution! The gun should not go off when dropped.

Either the gun went off when dropped or the victim is lying. Yes lying. I'm not accusing this person, but in my town two cops told a whopper that broke down and eventually turned into "poor gun handling and one guy shot his partner."

 

[Ashlander]

It's only a issue for those who chronically drop their guns. Don't like Sigs, it is simple don't buy one. The crying is silly, one there has been very few instances(one) of sigs going boom when dropped. Much less than instances of Glocks going kaboom. Two it is really not up to others what a person buys or carries, so it is pretty much a waste of time. Someone who likes their Sig is going to ignore you. When it comes to safety there are more problems with drawstrings pulling triggers than drop issues.

My concern is people who should not own a striker fired gun without a manual safety are the ones who want them the most. If they shoot themselves I just don't care. But when they shoot others while breaking down their Glock, then that is a problem.

Glocks are marketed to newbie gun owners, Sigs are marketed to gun aficionados. Glocks are just as dangerous as Sigs, different ways but there have been more Glock instances than Sig.

If I buy a Edsel, and love them, then all the whining in the world about how bad they are does not matter. You do know that there are actual collectors of Edsels out there?

I personally do not own a Sig, but BS is BS, and this issue IS BS. Do you own a Sig?

If I may, the problem with your suggestion that if people don't like Sig P320s, presumably because they have gone off when dropped, then they shouldn't buy them is that somebody else may be hit with the bullet. You may want to take your chances but I don't have a choice who I stand next to at the range.

I know you'll say the odds of getting hurt are a million to one -- but that doesn't stop people from buying lottery tickets. Somebody always beats the odds.

Cordially, Ashlander

 

[American1776]

If I may, the problem with your suggestion that if people don't like Sig P320s, presumably because they have gone off when dropped, then they shouldn't buy them is that somebody else may be hit with the bullet. You may want to take your chances but I don't have a choice who I stand next to at the range.

I know you'll say the odds of getting hurt are a million to one -- but that doesn't stop people from buying lottery tickets. Somebody always beats the odds.

Cordially, Ashlander

I agree 100 percent here.

When I'm in the grocery store with my kid and my wife as the backstop of everyone else carrying a pistol, I DO CARE if the guy standing next to me is carrying a pistol that, should it fall to the floor, will go off and kill my kid.

This has nothing to do with wanting to outlaw certain pistols. There is a large set of things that are immoral yet they should remain legal; cheating on one's spouse, lying to your mother, and carrying a pistol that you know will fire should it fall to the floor---all things that a lousy human being does, but we don't want the state to outlaw it. It's about basic human decency, and having a bare minimal concern for other people that merely reaches the threshold of not accidentally shooting me or my kid in a public place if you drop your pistol.

And for everyone who says "I don't care because I never drop my gun"----My reply is: "have you ever tripped and fallen in your life? Or, have you ever been in a fight and got wrestled to the ground?" The "I'll never drop my gun" response is as about as fatuous as saying "I'll never get into an auto accident so I'll never wear my seatbelt or carry auto insurance".

SIG has a big problem on their hands. Thus far, they are not handling it well.

 

[swsig]

This morning 14 August on Sigs website they announced a voluntary upgrade to address this very real problem. You fill out an online form and they will send you a shipping label at some point. With 500,000 P320s out there I imagine it's going to take awhile, we'll see. Their announcement further states a 4/6 week turn around time frame.
Anyone with a P320 that's interested just go to Sigs web site for further info. Damn, I just bought this P320 X-VTAC a couple days ago and now it has to go back to the factory.

FYI, here is the link to the SIG upgrade web page:

P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | Sig Sauer

 

[Walkingwolf]

What is with this obsession on people cheating on their spouse?

Is there a personal reason this keeps coming up?

Mods I apologize but this continual reference to this needs to stop, or an answer why.

 

[rednichols]

Is a gunshot wound not a gun shot wound by a different mistake?

I like this guy. He talks sense. We holstermakers are encouraged to make the distinction (by consumers) whilst I say there is no distinction except in a courtroom: same hole in the leg, let's do what we can to prevent it, even if we have to refuse to build holsters for that particular pistol.

 

[American1776]

What is with this obsession on people cheating on their spouse?

Is there a personal reason this keeps coming up?

Mods I apologize but this continual reference to this needs to stop, or an answer why.

It is a great example that belongs in the set of things that are immoral yet should still be legal. Why do you focus on the example I use? Focusing in on irrelevant differences in analogies reflects an inability to abstract from the concrete and apply principles to the hypothetical.

Cheating on your spouse, being a poor tipper to restaurant servers, cursing in front of young children, refusing to hold the door for someone walking in behind you, taking the last seat on the bus when there are women and children being forced to stand, telling your kids that black peter will take them away to Spain if they are bad, carrying a pistol in public that you know will go off if it falls from the hostler: the list goes on.

 

[ditrina]

4 pages of posts..enough...

Thank you all..