Fun With Glocks, or Not
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Rastoff
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Not "most likely" it was definitely a rule 2 violation. There is never a time when pointing a loaded gun at a body part is a good idea.
I disagree. That is unless by "handling" you mean "playing", then I completely agree.
This would have happened with or without a thumb safety. People often say that safeties prevent NDs. They don't. If you've practiced properly with your thumb safety, you'll automatically take it off when you're ready to press the trigger.
What really blows me away in this ridiculously long video is that he still carries AIWB. I mean, he already shot off one body part, right?
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A blue gun only costs 60 bucks, why can't people learn to spend the money before shooting themselves. There is no reason to do non firing drills with a live firearm.
My fellow Southern Arizonan, I never troll forums. I'm simply offering an opinion. And, speaking of my opinion of Glocks "going off too easily", look at this and tell me if it happens to 1911s as well:
Man's Leather Holster Causes Accidental Discharge
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TomkinsSP
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I think I paid about $7.50 for 6 .38 special snap caps a while back. Cheaper than a blue gun and you can dry fire as well.
Lee in Quartzsite
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The gun in the video IS A GLOCK! I am not one to say "Never could happen", but I believe a properly carried 1911 in condition 1, in a proper holster could not have the same result as
the Glock in your video. I do carry a Springfield 1911 in the winter, and always in Cond.1.
BTW, I am in Northwest AZ.....
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I will personally never carry or own any pistol with the following traits:
1) a short, light trigger ~5 lbs. 2) trait one *and* no manual safety.
A striker fired pistol with no manual safety *and* a short 5 lbs. trigger is something i don't want to deal with. It is, functionally, the same as taping the grip safety of a 1911 and carrying with the thumb safety off.
I know that we train to keep our fingers off the trigger. But I am not God, and so I therefore make mistakes. When I make a mistake, I want a long double action trigger, or a thumb safety.
The Glock is not mechanically less safe than any other gun; rather, it is much less forgiving of any mistakes.
1) a short, light trigger ~5 lbs. 2) trait one *and* no manual safety.
A striker fired pistol with no manual safety *and* a short 5 lbs. trigger is something i don't want to deal with. It is, functionally, the same as taping the grip safety of a 1911 and carrying with the thumb safety off.
I know that we train to keep our fingers off the trigger. But I am not God, and so I therefore make mistakes. When I make a mistake, I want a long double action trigger, or a thumb safety.
The Glock is not mechanically less safe than any other gun; rather, it is much less forgiving of any mistakes.
Rastoff
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I've read this story. It's been around for a long time. The evidence presented doesn't support his story that it's a faulty holster. Just looking at this picture shows that the holster in question didn't get far enough inside the trigger guard to cause the discharge.
My money's on him re-positioning the gun because it wasn't comfortable and he caused the ND himself.
Can this happen to a 1911? Absolutely! However, in this case a thumb safety might have prevented it.
Whitwabit
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Not a rule .. BUT .. it is MY rule .. if your hand touches the pistol you should be paying attention to what you are doing and nothing else ..
and for some people that includes walking and talking during that time !!!
and for some people that includes walking and talking during that time !!!
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For other people, especially a police officer they need to be able to safely handle a gun while talking, and walking. That is why they make training aids to allow one to do it safely. The more a gun is handled the more chances of an ND. So handle the firearm less, it is worth the extra money.
Use a training gun, I do not even agree with the use of snap caps. A mistake can happen and the wrong ammo can be in the gun. Either at home practicing, or in a real life struggle. IMO just be safe, have a specific training gun for practice.
Air soft also is an option in the backyard for the type of practice he was using. Still can have an ND but it is just going sting.
Whitwabit
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Completely agree !! I was standing next to a person who had a negligent discharge into his foot which was a bare 3 inches from my own .. removed his toe next to his small one in one bloody mess .. missing the bulk of his foot .. .. 2nd one I just heard did not see .. was about 10 feet behind me .. guy holstering his pistol shot his foot ..
I would think that most discharges are done within few seconds of either attempting to holstering or drawing the weapon from the holster .. that's the most critical time to pay attention to what you are doing !!
TomkinsSP
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JMO If you carry, you should be able to holster, unholster, load, unload without looking at your weapon. If you are looking at your weapon you are not looking at the developing situation which is something that can keep you alive.
For people who carry a revolver, checking to see if your revolver is loaded is oh-so-easy. Replacing live nickle or brass colored ammo with lead or copper bullets and primers with red or blue monochromatic andonized aluminum snap caps is straightforward. Then you can use the actual weapon for practice and not a facimilie which may not be a perfect match.
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Rastoff;139957941I said:
I mean, more or less, taking a 1911, leaving the thumb safety off, and then just using it like that, at least as far as holstered guns are concerned. My bullseye 1911 never has the thumb safety engaged. It's either unloaded and decocked, unloaded with the slide locked open, or loaded and about to be shot.
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Look at the holster in question. It's old, it's worn-out, and it should have been replaced long ago. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't have a reinforced, stitched mouth, and it's made out of thin, cheap leather.
Here, for comparison, is the worn-out, poorly-made holster:
Here's what you want to see on a leather holster's mouth:
Some holster makers actually stitch an extra piece of reinforcing leather (Milt Sparks, for instance). Others simply stitch the mouth, which also works okay.
Either way, you're blaming the gun for the crime of an old, cheap holster that should have been inspected and tossed years ago.
cmort666
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That's exactly what I do when I make my own holsters. It's more work, but makes a much more durable and safer holster.
Good point, I focused on the OP's actions, I hadn't thought of it being used in the manner you describe.
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Rastoff
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I see no reason not to look at your holster when putting the gun away. I mean, why are you re-holstering your gun if there is still a life threatening situation developing?
4506517
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Let's see.......we just had qualification (Glock 17) for 2018.
We had 17 shooters and each fired 250 rounds of ammunition over the course of about 2 hours.
Surprisingly...................................
Not a single person got shot nor had a negligent discharge.
Yep, clearly a defective design.
Saying the gun is responsible for the ND is like saying guns are responsible for all the gun violence plaguing the country.
I would say that's an ignorant statement, but I will refrain from doing so.
We had 17 shooters and each fired 250 rounds of ammunition over the course of about 2 hours.
Surprisingly...................................
Not a single person got shot nor had a negligent discharge.
Yep, clearly a defective design.
Saying the gun is responsible for the ND is like saying guns are responsible for all the gun violence plaguing the country.
I would say that's an ignorant statement, but I will refrain from doing so.
Rastoff
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While I understand the reasoning here, I think this is taking it just a tad far.
Whenever I holster a gun, I always do it slowly and reluctantly. By doing it this way I get the opportunity to feel if there are any obstructions. If there are, take the gun out and look/feel to see that the obstruction has been cleared.
No one ever won a gunfight by putting their gun away. So, no need to go fast. Leave the fancy for the showmen. I have no trouble holstering my gun without looking. I just don't feel it's necessary to say you HAVE to do it without looking.
mrmike7189
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Glocks come with a 5.5 pound trigger. my shield is a MA version with the 10 pound trigger. I can feel safe about it not going off and shooting myself .
