Glock carry condition

[Turn4811]

I was trained for Israeli carry, Condition 3. This is the way I carry my full sized Glocks. It does require training but it takes less than a half second to chamber a round.

To put it to rest I was trained to carry condition 3 in the military with a M9. I have a 92AF that I used to carry. I have a Glock that I carry now. If I carried a M&P, Ruger, or Colt I would carry it in condition 3.

BTW: I don't need two hands to rack the slide and I don't feel the need for the +1 round. To each their own as this is personal preference.

 

[Smoke]

Not true. We were trained (Navy in mid-90s by Marine instructors), in how to rack 1911s one-handed (either hand), in an emergency. We did this with live ammunition and no accidents.

But did you do it while somebody was attacking you?

 

[AlHunt]

I recently purchased my first Glock, a 21. mainly for home protection. With the weather getting cooler and jacket required I'm considering using it as a carry gun. In the past I've always carried a revolver in a thumb break paddle holster and am concerned about using a pistol that is in battery with no external safety. Any thoughts on this?

The striker is blocked until the trigger is pulled. The little dingus on the trigger stops inertia from pulling the trigger if you drop it. It doesn't have enough mass to engage from a drop situation.

For me, IWB holster with a clip. Firearm can be holstered before it goes in the waistband. If you're using a paddle, you could do the same.

I'm not trying to talk you into it, just laying out what I found when I wanted to carry a Glock.

 

[tlawler]

Wish I'd saved the source, but back in 2007 or so I saw a great picture that captured the answer to the OPs question.

It showed an M&P in a glass fronted box on a wall. The glass had a label reading "Break Glass in An Emergency". Hanging by a chain as a dedicated glass breaker was a Glock.

Be even better if it was an N frame behind the glass

 

[fredj338]

It is the "Re-Holstering" of a Glock which is the danger period. Numerous Police Officers (including ones from my own old organization), have shot themselves in the legs during training. They have shot at their targets, reloaded and then rushed the re-holstering of their Glocks, forgetting to remove their finger from the trigger guard. As they push the gun down into the holster, their fingers have hit the side of the holster and set off the gun.

Considering how little LEO actually shoot annually, ND arent really surprising. Look it into the holster, finger off trigger, pretty simple.

 

[fredj338]

That's not a defect of the gun. That's poor training on the part of your colleagues.



Either you trust the design or you don't

Not really a matter of trusting a proven design but training & practice. Same types of arguments were made back in the day about 1911 cocked & locked.

 

[fredj338]

Just a few thoughts from someone unfamiliar with Glocks...

I'll not criticize Glock advocates. If they feel comfortable with these guns, that's fine. As for after-market gadgets, they're usually for the gadgeteers who can't bring themselves to use anything out-of-the-box. It seems another gun would be better for them than re-designing the original.

Was the Glock design an attempt to improve upon the perceived disadvantage of the first shot double-action trigger pull of conventional double-action pistols? I think I may have read this thirty or more years ago when Glocks began to see regular use, but what I recall may not be correct.

I've never seen a disadvantage to traditional double-action. I'm very used to them and comfortable with such a setup. They're very safe and while some prefer a holster for carry, these guns don't require a holster for safety.

Again, it's all in what a person is familiar and comfortable with. It appears that Glocks have an excellent reputation, but we're all glad to have choices.

All handguns shpuld be in a quality holster. Disadvantage of long DA pull is missing your first shot or more. DA only guns require a lot more trigger time to be accurate at speed.

 

[fredj338]

Not true. We were trained (Navy in mid-90s by Marine instructors), in how to rack 1911s one-handed (either hand), in an emergency. We did this with live ammunition and no accidents.

That isnt the unsafe part Imo. Its the ability to respond to an attack in the shortest time period. Empty chamber carry requires may 100% more practice to be effective in a CQB incident w/o injurying yourself. Military doesnt require empty chanber because its efficient but because they think their troops arent smart/safe enough to carry a loaded gun.

 

[Muss Muggins]

My understanding is that in the US military, a pistol isn't a primary battle weapon, is carried by a minority of troops , and those that need to carry a round in the chamber do. No need to mock the intelligence level of the troops, of which your opinion may or may not be accurate . . .

That isnt the unsafe part Imo. Its the ability to respond to an attack in the shortest time period. Empty chamber carry requires may 100% more practice to be effective in a CQB incident w/o injurying yourself. Military doesnt require empty chanber because its efficient but because they think their troops arent smart/safe enough to carry a loaded gun.

 

[Muss Muggins]

You got some stats on how often LEO's shoot? Real stats, not just coffee shop talk in your little corner of the world . . .

Considering how little LEO actually shoot annually, ND arent really surprising. Look it into the holster, finger off trigger, pretty simple.

 

[Ziggy2525]

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Military doesnt require empty chanber because its efficient but because they think their troops arent smart/safe enough to carry a loaded gun.

This is offensive. What branch of the service were you in?

 

[Muss Muggins]

This is offensive. What branch of the service were you in?

The one not smart or safe enough to carry a loaded weapon . . .

 

[rockquarry]

All handguns shpuld be in a quality holster. Disadvantage of long DA pull is missing your first shot or more. DA only guns require a lot more trigger time to be accurate at speed.

A holster shouldn't be essential for carrying a firearm, but some handguns, like Glocks, require a holster from a safety perspective if for no other reason.

As for first shot double-action, your comment is true only if you're unfamiliar with your handgun and don't practice regularly. It should be second nature to the shooter, not a surprise. The same could be said for a Glock or something else. No excuse for being unfamiliar with a gun you depend on.

 

[Smoke]

Military doesnt require empty chanber because its efficient but because they think their troops arent smart/safe enough to carry a loaded gun.

This is offensive. What branch of the service were you in?

What's offensive about it? He is 100% correct. I spent 15 years in the Army and my direct experience is that they train to the lowest common denominator. I stood guard duty numerous times with an unloaded M16, with no ammunition even available in the guard shack. We used to hate it because the only thing the rifle was going to do was draw fire.

When I was in Germany every time we left post with automatic weapons there was an armed guard with us. He carried a 1911 with one magazine, in his pocket with FIVE rounds. A friend of mine was detailed to guard a convict on his way to the stockade. He had an unloaded M16 with a magazine with three rounds.

I wouldn't trust a good portion of the people I served with with a loaded water gun.

 

[fredj338]

This is offensive. What branch of the service were you in?

Its not offensive its just reality. Take a bunch of 18y olds that never handled a pistol. They dont get extensive practice time & you think they are capable to carry a fully loaded weapon? Uh. No.

 

[fredj338]

A holster shouldn't be essential for carrying a firearm, but some handguns, like Glocks, require a holster from a safety perspective if for no other reason.

As for first shot double-action, your comment is true only if you're unfamiliar with your handgun and don't practice regularly. It should be second nature to the shooter, not a surprise. The same could be said for a Glock or something else. No excuse for being unfamiliar with a gun you depend on.

Yes a holster should always be used. It puts the gun in exactly the same position for presentation every time & helps keep crud out of the gun.
Fwiw, your definition of regular practice probably waaaay diff than mine. No I dont have an issue with revo or semi, any config, but then I shoot more in a month than most do in a year, including leo. For the person that shoots 100-200rds a year, yeah get back to me on that one. A DA revo is just harder to hit with at speed, physics. A 2# gun with 8-9# trigger, yes it takes quite a bit of trigger time to get fast good hits.

 

[rockquarry]

Yes a holster should always be used. It puts the gun in exactly the same position for presentation every time & helps keep crud out of the gun.
Fwiw, your definition of regular practice probably waaaay diff than mine. No I dont have an issue with revo or semi, any config, but then I shoot more in a month than most do in a year, including leo. For the person that shoots 100-200rds a year, yeah get back to me on that one. A DA revo is just harder to hit with at speed, physics. A 2# gun with 8-9# trigger, yes it takes quite a bit of trigger time to get fast good hits.

No doubt, opinions vary.

 

[Smoke]

Its not offensive its just reality. Take a bunch of 18y olds that never handled a pistol. They dont get extensive practice time & you think they are capable to carry a fully loaded weapon? Uh. No.

I agree but you still ducked the question.

What branch of the military did you serve in?

 

[JJEH]

Its not offensive its just reality. Take a bunch of 18y olds that never handled a pistol. They dont get extensive practice time & you think they are capable to carry a fully loaded weapon? Uh. No.

No, they are too dumb to carry a loaded weapon but they are just good enough to be sent to war and die for this country. Just stop!

 

[Smoke]

No, they are too dumb to carry a loaded weapon but they are just good enough to be sent to war and die for this country. Just stop!

unlike Fred, I actually served and I will tell you based on my direct personal experience that a whole bunch of them ARE too dumb to carry a loaded weapon.