Glock doesn't have a takedown lever other than dry fire accident. Not me

[illinoimike]

+1 post #2.....I carried, trained with & instructed Glocks for years, as well as Sigs, Smith's, HK's and Berettas..... I have seen people do dumb things with all of them.....blaming the firearm for someone's violating basic weapon handling protocol doesn't excuse them of negligent gun handling.

That is soooooooo true.
We let our habits get the best of us don't we.
Better to have a good habit when handling a firearm.

 

[snubbyfan]

Blam! Huh, what? Where's all that blood coming from? Oh damn!
Looks almost like he didn't hit anything but flesh.
I sure hope he learns from this incident.

 

[cb619]

I almost positive I have met this person in the picture, being I've seen the picture off his cell phone as well as the scar. What I can tell you is that the gun played no part in this.
This is what gives gun owners a bad reputation, especially being this particular person was enlisted in the US Navy and should have known better. This is the type of person that really has no business being in possession of a firearm.

 

[tbc]

Looking at the wound on his hand, it indicates that he was trying to rack the slide while his finger was on the trigger. It was not a dry fire attempt. It was a negligent discharge IMO which it can happen to any platform.


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[W.E.G.]

Member with FOUR POSTS to his name comes here and posts gory pics of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

GO AWAY TROLL.

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[Florida J Frame]

There is just NO Excuse for a negligent discharge. It's the operators responsibility to be completely familiar with the operation of any weapon he is handling. I'm just glad no innocent bystander was injured or worse. This should be a reminder to all of us. SOPs work. Practice, practice, practice with an unloaded weapon until it is second nature and always follow all the rules. It isn't a design problem. It's an operator problem. Why would anyone attempt to break down a weapon that had not been properly cleared? Negligence, pure and simple.

 

[Thump-boom]

That looks like a painful wound. Always handle a firearm as if it is loaded until you know it is not

 

[S&W Rover]

Most everything that can be said, has been said, concerning this situation.

Training is important -- critical. Lots of civilians buy a gun and don't get the training, though.

Using the take-down tool on the M&P is a virtue but not a perfect one. It takes time/patience to extract the tool, and many prefer to pull the trigger to let the slide go forward. Which is back to square one, the same as the Glock. I prefer to use a pen to push the lever down, or struggle to get my finger in there, rather than pulling the trigger.

If you use the M&P system -- and if I were a police department, I would teach everyone to use a ballpoint pen and tell them they are in big trouble if anyone ever sees them pulling the trigger to let the slide go forward -- you are in a safer place than if you have a Glock and use the Glock system. This will be important to teach if the Armed forces go with the M&P to replace the M9 and M11. GI's will find the shortcut (just pull the trigger!) and the correct way -- use a tool through the top of the slide -- will have to be drilled into them. (I know. I were one).

Glocks, by the way, also have more then their share of NDs while being put back in the holster (that's right, with the finger in the trigger guard).

As an aside, I really like the grip safety of the M1911A1 -- wish it could be built into the M&P somehow.

Training, backed up by soundly designed weapons systems... helps cut the odds of a ND...

 

[Practical]

Dry fire mistake when taking down a Glock, hence why I love my M&P, poor guy

Your M&P can do the same thing, and MOST people don't use the take down.

Especially former glock owners...

The problem is stupid people!

 

[blackxpress]

Your M&P can do the same thing, and MOST people don't use the take down.

Especially former glock owners...

The problem is stupid people!

You're probably right. Speaking as a current Glock owner I always use the takedown and think Smith and Wesson deserves a great deal of credit for at least trying to build an extra measure of safety into their product.

 

[Storm40]

If he was dry firing to take down, then he DID intend to pull the trigger. Guess that would make it all the more dumb to have his hand in front of the barrel. I have to dry fire my Ruger to take it down. Can't imagine pulling the trigger with my hand in front of the barrel, even after I've checked (twice) to make sure it's unloaded.

Actually, Rastoff is correct. Because he had not assured himself of a loaded firearm and he pointed the firearm at something he as not willing to destroy (himself, in this case), he should not have pulled he trigger.

BTW, my Rugers SR9c/SR40c do not have to be dry fired to takedown. They have a lever similar to the M&P line.

 

[Louchia]

Sounds like you were at Midwest guns in Lyons

 

[Louchia]

I have to agree with most everything I've red here. I have to things to say,
when handling a fire arm, you must always stay focused and aware.
thanks for posting the picture. I too own a glock19.Seing the photo will come to mind whenever I clean mine and make me be absolutely sure all is clear and follow the basic safty rules.

 

[Hatrix]

Ya can't cure stupid, be he sure got a big unwanted dose of medicine to help and try.

Can't blame the gun for his mental lapse. Nothing i can say here that others haven't already.

 

[Rastoff]

BTW, my Rugers SR9c/SR40c do not have to be dry fired to takedown. They have a lever similar to the M&P line.

He may have been speaking of the Mark I, II, III line. They require pulling the trigger before disassembling.

 

[Eugene 9mm]

This is so important he posted it twice. What does the anti-gun crowd say constantly? Guns are dangerous. NO! {Insert appropriate adjective here} people with guns are dangerous.

Appropriate adjectives include:
Lazy
Careless
Untrained
Ignorant
Stupid
All of the above

I'd add over-confident, leading to lack of caution.

Some people get over-confident with tools they use regularly, and start skipping safety checks and procedures. Go to any wood-working site and see the number of people who have damaged their hands on table saws etc., because they were too comfortable with the tools. Guns are the same, but potentially much more dangerous. You have to treat them with the proper respect, always.

This is a useful reminder to follow proper gun safety procedure, always, whether it's a Glock, a S&W, or whatever.

Thanks to the OP, and all who have posted.

 

[sipowicz]

If you are field stripping a loaded weapon then even a safety measure like not needing to dry fire it first is gonna prolong your life only slightly.

 

[RobbW]

Had he followed even ONE of the four safety rules, this would not have happened. He had the misfortune of creating his own "perfect storm" by violating all four, at the same time.

That said, knowledge that this could happen to us any time we handle firearms hopefully keeps us humble and safety minded. Because I know this COULD happen to me, I pay extra attention each time I handle a firearm.

 

[LVSteve]

It is an unfortunate design flaw that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble the Glock. The M&P can be taken down using the same method however, I never do that to avoid just this kind of ND.

If you think that is a design flaw you should look at how many modern and milsurp rifles operate. It still fries my circuits that many gun designs, old and new, do not allow you to put the safety on until the weapon is cocked.

 

[policerevolvercollector]

If you are field stripping a loaded weapon then even a safety measure like not needing to dry fire it first is gonna prolong your life only slightly.

+1

Operator error is to blame not the make,model, caliber etc.etc. of the gun. Training has instilled in me the need to clear ANY gun three times before cleaning or field stripping it. Another good idea is not to point the weapon @ any part of your body EVER! I can't think of a legitimate reason to direct the muzzle toward yourself......

I carry Glocks everday at work & off duty and have for a long time. I also own several Glocks other than my duty guns. As of this writing, I have never had or don't know of one that has discharged without the trigger being pulled with a chambered round. Just sayin'.......