I deal in known facts. You'll try and tell the truth, only problem is you won't know what the truth actually is. It's easy sitting around the house or a square range to know exactly what you're doing and how to verbalize it later. When the adrenaline dumps, heart's trying to jump out your chest, and blood pressure goes off the chart, not so much. One thing we can be sure, way too many people overestimate their supreme abilities. And many times that comes back to bite em. You carry on. I'm just hoping to help out people who don't want to potentially screw themselves up because they're in a mad rush to cooperate when you have the rest of your life to make a statement.
Good advice if you’re involved in a shooting.
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Wow, you simply don't get it.
I, and many others, have been in situations wherein you DO know exactly what occured. And the facts are facts. And you relate what, exactly, you did. And you tell the truth.
Keyboard ninjas imagine stuff that is lived.
I, and many others, have been in situations wherein you DO know exactly what occured. And the facts are facts. And you relate what, exactly, you did. And you tell the truth.
Keyboard ninjas imagine stuff that is lived.
Alright, both you guys read this.
Unintended Consequences of Silence
I will assume that this gentleman knows more than both of you!
armsmaster270
US Veteran
Very good post. It tells it like it is.
A most useful post, thank you. Mr. Hayes says it much better than did I. This should be a sticky so we don't have to rehash this topic every week or so.
Be safe.
Be safe.
Alright, both you guys read this.
Unintended Consequences of Silence
I will assume that this gentleman knows more than both of you!
Alright, both you guys read this.
Unintended Consequences of Silence
I will assume that this gentleman knows more than both of you!
The police are going to be able to pretty quickly figure out most shootings non vigilante CCW shooters are going to be involved in. Without too much from the shooter. In cases that aren't so clear cut. Those are the ones you'd have to be extremely careful with what you say seeing as what you say has great bearing on the case. The next problem is the citizen maybe doesn't know which type of case it is. I sure don't think Joe Citizens, who most likely knows nothing about investigations, should be influencing the outcome of an investigation just minutes after a shooting. Where is this wrong? Maybe spending a few hours in jail is worst than maybe saying something that can be used to put you away for decades?
It also seems odd that one angle used is "well, if you don't tell the police what happened they'll just listen to the other guy's fabricated story." If you think the police and prosecutors are that incompetent, why would you tell them anything. They'd listen to the second story if it's a better one.
I can see where it'd be of benefit to tell the police a few things. The problem is the execution. An object in motion tends to stay in motion.
GeorgiaShooter
Member
Oh my Lord there is some idiot advice floating on this thread. Clamming up to cops sounds like a recipe for trouble. The last thing I want to do is work against the cops. I want them to discover every ounce of detail on the scene while everything and everyone is there. And minds are fresh. I'm also not going to disarm myself while standing on a crime scene, I would holster it, calm down best I can, and try to compose myself, remember what details I can and make note of all witnesses, tag numbers and descriptions. Clamming up would work directly against me. Now of course saying too much is just as dumb. I don't trust what all lawyers say especially some idiotic youtube video.
The experienced cop said he was right. He was an idiot as well? You should watch those videos.
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cmort666
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You can ask the former members of the Duke lacrosse team how that worked out for them. You could ask Larry Jewell if he weren't dead.
Some people feel the same way about doctors.
Being your own lawyer is about as smart as being your own eye surgeon.
Obviously. I consider it the legal equivalent of laetril.
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cmort666
Member
In any criminal investigation involving you, the first thing they want to do is work against you. There's a reason why you are warned that "Anything you say, can and will be used against you."
When you're not free to leave, the police aren't there to help you.
It's an adversarial relationship. Ignore that to your own peril.
cmort666
Member
Even Massad Ayoob, a cop, recommends that you strictly limit your interaction with the police when you don't have benefit of counsel. While I think his script is a bit too wordy for somebody who doesn't speak publicly for a living, it's certainly better than the wildly irresponsible advice I've seen here, encouraging people to run their mouths to the police when they're the subject of a felony criminal investigation... and probably highly emotionally agitated in the bargain.
GeorgiaShooter
Member
I've actually been robbed before and my cooperation with the police was an important part of their investigation. Clamming up would have been unproductive. I big part of why I carry is to make a safer community, I would not clam up if there were something I knew that they needed to hear immediately. My directness has gotten me safely to half a century, I'm going to judge the situation when it comes, meanwhile thanks for sharing your views, it helps.
cmort666
Member
There's a WORLD of difference between reporting a crime AGAINST you and potentially being the SUSPECT in a crime, as you are when you use deadly force to defend yourself.
Unless you got robbed in a crack house, or while patronizing a hooker, your potential legal exposure is minimal.
If on the other hand, you have to pull and or use a firearm to use to defend yourself, you are potentially the suspect in a possible assault or murder. It's the height of foolishness to take that lightly, or to trust in the good will of a variety of strangers with legal authority to protect you.
I choose to speak first instead of letting someone speak for me. But I will only state exactly what happened.
I work with cops from time to time and know many. I took a poll. I asked if I was pulled over and legally carrying concealed, would you want to see my permit to carry immediatley? Nintey percent said yes. And most of them said they would be suspicious as to what else I was trying to hide.
Knowing this and knowing the suspicious nature of a good cop, why would I want to make things worse?
I think the issue of speaking or not speaking to the cops is not the issue here. How you act and what you say to them is the most important issue.
I work with cops from time to time and know many. I took a poll. I asked if I was pulled over and legally carrying concealed, would you want to see my permit to carry immediatley? Nintey percent said yes. And most of them said they would be suspicious as to what else I was trying to hide.
Knowing this and knowing the suspicious nature of a good cop, why would I want to make things worse?
I think the issue of speaking or not speaking to the cops is not the issue here. How you act and what you say to them is the most important issue.
GeorgiaShooter
Member
I agree but I'm not taking it lightly. I just would not completely clam up to the point of not saying anything to the responding officers. That's really my only point. One answer simply wont fit all... But I hear you and appreciate that concern and help.
GeorgiaShooter
Member
I agree but I'm not taking it lightly. I just would not completely clam up to the point of not saying anything to the responding officers. That's really my only point. One answer simply wont fit all... But I hear you and appreciate that concern and help.
You said it better than I was able to...
Some of you guys need to review this case someone brought up in another thread.
Trail of evidence - Dateline NBC - Crime reports - Trail of Evidence - msnbc.com
Trail of evidence - Dateline NBC - Crime reports - Trail of Evidence - msnbc.com
Good case to review to see how hollow points, 10mm and talking will all be perceived by a jury. It doesn't matter what is right or wrong, all that matters is how a jury thinks.
