Good Questions About Conceal Carry - Please Answer!

[PearlJamFan]

This is about single stack and double stack guns with safetys.
I always liked thin single stack guns because I don't mind carrying them on me because they are so slim and I can't feel them. But than I noticed that a single stack with a holster is as thick as a double stack gun with just a belt clip mounted on it. I think I want to go in that direction and get a double stack with a belt clip attached to the slide, but than I heard that it's wise to carry that set up with one OUT of the chamber because nothing is covering the trigger. If that's true, would it better to have a gun with a safety and keep one in the chamber so it's faster to activate the gun? Isn't it? Isn't faster to activate a thumb safety than to cock the gun? Or am I wrong? I think having a thumb safety is the best way to carry for ME, what do you guys think?

And here is the second part to the question:
(this part is if you AGREE that I should get a gun with a double stack with a safety)
What do you guys recommend for a DOUBLE STACK GUN, RELIABLE, COMPACT, WITH A THUMB SAFETY, AND ACCEPTS A RELIABLE 33 ROUND MAGAZINE (33 rd mag will not be for daily carry, it's for when I use it in a SHTF scenario. (I was thinking of the M&P Compact, but I don't like the ambi safety, it's too pertruding)

M&P compact has a model with a safety, and is 33 round mag compatible, and it's compact. Everything I want, but I hate the ambi safety. Maybe I dremmel off the other sides safety? Or cut it off some how? Can I do that with a saw?

I was thinking of the SR9C because it has such a nice trigger, but it doesn't have a 33 round mag at all. I've heard somebody makes one, but I can't find videos of one or find one anywhere.

The Springfield makes a service model XD that has a safety and that has a 33 round mag, but it's not compact..

Those are the only manufacturers that I really looked into, Ruger, Springfield, and Smith & Wesson M&P Series..

Anybody have any information on any other guns that fit my criteria I definitely haven't checked all of them.

 

[Lost Lake]

I always use a holster, period.

The S&W 6906 is a fabulous double stack 9mm with a decocker.

Forget the 33 round magazine. If you want to be prepared for when the SHTF, get a shotgun and a rifle.

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[Texas40]

A single stack is more than enough for the average Joe to CC IMO.
If you find yourself in a SD situation that 7-9 rounds cant solve your in deep dodo anyway.
Just my 02 but I feel perfectly content carrying my 40 shield with 7 rds as a civilian. I try to be aware enough to avoid potential trouble anyway.

 

[PearlJamFan]

I always use a holster, period.

The S&W 6906 is a fabulous double stack 9mm with a decocker.

Forget the 33 round magazine. If you want to be prepared for when the SHTF, get a shotgun and a rifle.

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I got an ak47 and 700 rounds saved up. I want to arm 2 people so I want a pistol 33 round mag, and an ak47. I want the pistol with a 33 mag for my bug out bag, it's light weight and in 9mm the ammo weight is manageable.
I know what I want, just finding is going to be tough.
Oh and I wouldn't use a shotgun because ammo is too large (not heavy but large) and will fill up my bob too fast. Lol.

 

[PearlJamFan]

A single stack is more than enough for the average Joe to CC IMO.
If you find yourself in a SD situation that 7-9 rounds cant solve your in deep dodo anyway.
Just my 02 but I feel perfectly content carrying my 40 shield with 7 rds as a civilian. I try to be aware enough to avoid potential trouble anyway.

I have a shield right now, tho I love it I found out that in a gun fight 80% shots miss the target!!! So I was thinking getting rid of it and getting a double stack with an extra 4 bullets wouldn't be the worse thing in the world, especially considering that without a holster and belt clipped to my side it will be the same thickness as a single stack with a holster. It's a 4 round advantage, and a 33 round capable advantage.

 

[Arik]

Holster. Get pants one size larger. The art many guns that have 33 round mags. Glocks, Sig has 20 but not for all models and not all have safeties. No safeties on Glocks. That's really about it. I think there are 20 round mags for the S&W 5606/6906 but most are made by Pro Mag and are of poor quality.

I carry a G19 and buy pants one size larger. Problem solved

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[PearlJamFan]

I always use a holster, period.

The S&W 6906 is a fabulous double stack 9mm with a decocker.

Forget the 33 round magazine. If you want to be prepared for when the SHTF, get a shotgun and a rifle.

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That 6906 has a safety, and 30 round compatable!!! Wish it wasn't a full metal frame gun tho. For a range gun I'd love all that steel but for conceal carry it's too heavy, too bulky, wish it was polymer.. Thanks I might consider that gun!
Anyone else?

 

[PearlJamFan]

Holster. Get pants one size larger. The art many guns that have 33 round mags. Glocks, Sig has 20 but not for all models and not all have safeties. No safeties on Glocks. That's really about it. I think there are 20 round mags for the S&W 5606/6906 but most are made by Pro Mag and are of poor quality.

I carry a G19 and buy pants one size larger. Problem solved

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That is a good point I suppose, but having a large bulky gun and a large bulky holster is going to make it no longer very concealable. I've had that setup before with a XDM which is the same size, and it showed on me, badly. I want my gun to be in complete incognito, and that can be done with a double stack if it's holsterless with a safety. The reason I want to conceal it completely because I realise guns will be banned, and I am NOT giving up my gun so I need it to conceal.

 

[Arik]

That is a good point I suppose, but having a large bulky gun and a large bulky holster is going to make it no longer very concealable. I've had that setup before with a XDM which is the same size, and it showed on me, badly. I want my gun to be in complete incognito, and that can be done with a double stack if it's holsterless with a safety. The reason I want to conceal it completely because I realise guns will be banned, and I am NOT giving up my gun so I need it to conceal.

What kind of holster were you using? My IWB holsters are kydex/leather and are a fraction of an inch thick. There is almost no thickness to them. Guns CANNOT be complete incognito for what you want. Guns are COMFORTING not COMFORTABLE.

I am 180lbs and 6 ft tall. Skinny. I wear form fitting clotheths and conceal carry full size handguns. It's all about the gear.

Quality holster. ...one that has far spread clips to help spread the weight and blur the profile of the gun.

A real gun belt. Not any belt but a thick gun belt. It helps hold the gun and also spreads out the profile.

Yes it's money but it works. That clip carry is an accident waiting to happen and again, there are no double stack compact semi autos with safeties that take 33 round mags. And honestly those things are more for carbines and machine pistols. Try running a combat course with a handgun and a 33 round mag! It will get in the way. You will be bumping it against everything. Unless you just plan to do static shooting. There is a reason that no one, not one police dpt or military unit uses the 33 round mags. Aside from what I mentioned they are useless Do yourself a favor. Get a lot of regular quality mags and practice reloading. That will pay off better in the long run.

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[Lost Lake]

That 6906 has a safety, and 30 round compatable!!! Wish it wasn't a full metal frame gun tho. For a range gun I'd love all that steel but for conceal carry it's too heavy, too bulky, wish it was polymer.. Thanks I might consider that gun!
Anyone else?

Thousands do carry the 6906 even being metal. I could weigh the difference if you'd like, it won't be much. The 6906 has an alloy frame, not steel.

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[Arik]

Thousands do carry the 6906 even being metal. I could weigh the difference if you'd like, it won't be much. The 6906 has an alloy frame, not steel.

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What he want doesn't exist.

It's like saying I want a Ferrari with 4x4, under $15k, that's good on gas and has cheap insurance

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[Rastoff]

This is either a very inexperienced shooter or a troll. Based on the responses, I'm voting for the latter. This sounds exactly like the original mall ninja.

So, you've "read" that 80% of self defense shots miss? Did you also learn that 99% of those who carry a gun for self defense never practice?

Listen, 33 round pistol mags are toys and none are reliable enough to rely on for serious defense. Forget the high capacity **** and learn to make your shots count.

 

[alwslate]

You are way over thinking (obsessing) the gun requirements of self
defense. The best solution to your dilemma probably would be to get
some good training.

 

[SMSgt]

A gun clip is not a good idea with a loaded chamber.
An unloaded chamber is not a good idea when you really need to shoot in a hurry.
An un-holstered firearm is one ingredient in a recipe for disaster.
Capacity is over-rated for nearly everyone who's not engaging BGs or expects to engage multiple BGs at any moment on a regular basis (such as LEOs). SD situations where more than a few rounds or second mags are needed are a rarity.

 

[zonker5]

I am not preparing for a fire fight, I want to protect my self from a bad guy or two.

I carry a J-frame with 5 rounds of 38 +p and do not feel under armed. If it's going to take more than 5 I'm probably screwed anyway and more ammo is not going to help.

 

[25elk]

I'm going along with the troll theory myself. The reason 80% of shots miss is because 80% of people can't shoot. If you're not a troll then you need to forget all the Hollywood nonsense and get a dependable firearm and practice with it until AT LEAST 80% of your rounds are dead on target.

 

[Lost Lake]

Ouch, guys, I'm not feeling the troll aspect of this thread.

Very inexperienced, but I think open to ideas. Nothing wrong with that and we are here to help.

Remember it wasn't but a few years ago that I came on here telling all y'all that if you didn't have a .357 you weren't carrying a real gun!!!

You were pretty easy on me then, let's see if this new guy is for real and help where we can!

But really OP, 33 round magazines are toys as Rastoff said... I'd much rather carry a couple of 17 rounds factory mage that I know are drop dead dependable.

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[PearlJamFan]

No not a troll. Again, this 30 round mag IS for situations where I need to engage 3 or more targets at once. (I anticipate the economy collapsing and looters) Again, the 30 round mag is NOT for daily carry. I want a gun I can carry on my hip, and in a bug out situation I grab my 30 round mag and I am ready to go. I want EVERYTHING to fit in my backpack I can't use an AK47 because they are too heavy, it has to be an extra mag or maybe an extra pistol or carbine. I suppose I can go with a carbine, but again, that's extra weight I think it's better to avoid the second gun and just have a mag and eliminate that extra weight and use that weight for something more useful, like ammo. Yes I am a prepper, not a troll. Not crazy, I got everything planned out in my head. Just looking for a good double stack pistol, that's compact, 30 round capable. (now I am considering just having a reliable standard 17 round mag).

I kinda know what I want so sorry it's kind of weird someone being so SURE on what they want, I am also SURE that gun exists, it has to. Anyways, thanks for you're time and the guy who commented before this post, THANK YOU FOR NOT CALLING ME A TROLL! Lol.

 

[Smoke]

Ok, first off I’m going to guess that SHTF threads are off topic in these parts.

Having said that I’m going to point out that an AK is an infantry weapon which means it was designed to be carried by people who moved on their feet.

If carrying an AK is too much for you, you need to work on your fitness before you worry about getting a different gun.

And the last thing I’m going to ask is why you would come to a brand specific forum for a brand of handgun for which (to my knowledge) no 30 round magazines even exist and ask your question.

Enquiring minds want to know

 

[zonker5]

If I needed that much fire power I'd carry a rifle or shotgun. Personally, the need to engage multiple targets seems quite slim.

If I was set on a hand gun I'd rather carry 2 or 3 15 round mags than a single 30. More reliable and the long mag sticking out of the bottom is likely to get in the way.