Got my P 2.0 today!

[akdude]

Love it and noticed mags will hold 18 rounds instead of 17 as listed, the Mecgar +2 mag extensions work fine and now holds 20 rounds but the mag with the + 2 the mag does need a little slap to lock in place!

The CZ + 2 bases will fit mags but not gun since they are about 1/8" higher then the Mecgars.

What is the Black finish on it?

 

[Smakmauz]

Congrats!! they are nice... I'm pretty impressed with mine. The finish is the same type that is on most black colored guns these days which is a melonite\amornite\ salt bath nitride (SBN) treatment with some sort of phosphate type treatment to make it black. nitride treatment usually gives more of a shiny gray look but then they use some kind of parkerizing\phosphate type thing to get them black.

thats why if the black gets scuffed or something its still protected by the nitride which is super hard.

 

[wrangler5]

Can you fully seat a mag loaded with 18 if the slide is closed?

If you can, and you start with a gun loaded 18+1, will it fire and then load the top round from the mag - every time?

Manufacturers design and specify their magazines to a particular capacity for engineering reasons (apart from the 10-round nonsense sometimes, which some states are using so successfully to eliminate all gun violence within their borders ). One reason for abiding by listed capacities, which has shown up in threads on "should I unload my magazines between range sessions," is that properly designed and manufactured springs do not wear out by being compressed (they wear out by being cycled, so leave mags loaded and save a decompress/compress cycle) UNLESS the springs are moved beyond their material's elastic limit.

If squeezing an extra round into a magazine crushes the spring beyond its elastic limit it may do damage that either shortens its useful life or adversely affects its reliability. Or both.

So there usually are reasons for NOT loading a magazine beyond its stated capacity.

 

[akdude]

Yes, all works "Fine"! Out of all guns the mags specify X amt. of rounds and the last round is impossible to load unless U use a Mag loader and then U cant push down the bullets at all!

On my VP-9 it holds 15 and specifies that, however it is the only mag besides the MP 2.0 where there is enough room to add 1 more round without any issues of Any type!

So with my 2.0 with the Mecgar +2 it now holds 20 rds. and 1 in chamber just fine and the 2.0 standard mag now holds 18 without any issues and 1 in chamber for a total of 19!

I do understand your concern.

 

[dustinb43]

That would be a melonite finish my friend, a black finish commonly used on steels, sintered irons, and cast irons to lower friction and improve wear and corrosion resistance.

 

[akdude]

I think its called Armonite but that is the metal treatment underneath the Black finish, which seems to be some type of Polycoat or such!

 

[akdude]

On the 5" FDE model the finish is Armonite used to be called Melonite (which are Metal Treatments) and the FDE color is that *** Cerakote finish!

 

[Smakmauz]

On the 5" FDE model the finish is Armonite used to be called Melonite (which are Metal Treatments) and the FDE color is that *** Cerakote finish!

yeah, the FDE is cerakote... one thing I don't know is if they nitride the slide and then cerakote it because you usually have to sandblast prior to cerakoting and that might defeat the nitride layer. Its almost imperceptibly thin so blasting it might cut right through. I know nitrided steel is very tough but I don't know if it could survive that.

 

[akdude]

I did call S&W today and as others have said the person did not know much (Tech Dept.) said the black was Armonite and I told him, I know Armonite is the Metal treatment but what is the black finish that is on top of it and he said its Armonite which he said was black!

Yea right then I asked how on the FDE do they apply the Ceracrap over the Armonite and he did not know!

I also noticed the frames on same Shields are Gray Cerakoted, which surely will wear easy since Keltec had a few yrs. ago simple made many frames in "The White" and them Ceracrapped them and it did not last on the frames and White was showing!

I would never buy any gun with Cerakote which was the reason I did not get the Beretta M9-A3.

 

[tattooo]

Congrats.....but pics or it didn't happen...lol

 

[Smakmauz]

I did call S&W today and as others have said the person did not know much (Tech Dept.) said the black was Armonite and I told him, I know Armonite is the Metal treatment but what is the black finish that is on top of it and he said its Armonite which he said was black!

Yea right then I asked how on the FDE do they apply the Ceracrap over the Armonite and he did not know!

I also noticed the frames on same Shields are Gray Cerakoted, which surely will wear easy since Keltec had a few yrs. ago simple made many frames in "The White" and them Ceracrapped them and it did not last on the frames and White was showing!

I would never buy any gun with Cerakote which was the reason I did not get the Beretta M9-A3.

I just found out that the black layer is part of the QPQ nitriding. It's the final step where after polishing they put it back in the salt bath for 20-30 mins, rinse at the same temp as the salt bath, and then quench again in oil. Turns the surface black.

As far as cerakote goes... It's pretty damn durable stuff if it's applied right. And that's the key. I seriously doubt keltec out in the time to do it well.

 

[akdude]

I just found out that the black layer is part of the QPQ nitriding. It's the final step where after polishing they put it back in the salt bath for 20-30 mins, rinse at the same temp as the salt bath, and then quench again in oil. Turns the surface black.

Good to know! How does the "Black" hold up compared to other finishes like CZ Polycoat?

 

[Smakmauz]

Good to know! How does the "Black" hold up compared to other finishes like CZ Polycoat?

Personally I can't say... I'm not familiar with polycoat. Sounds like it might be some kind of moly resin or something? I can't imagine it's a polyurethane like the name would suggest.

 

[akdude]

What many call or ask about guns finish is not a finish but a "metal treatment and no Glocks or any guns made in USA ever had Tenifer treatment since outlawed here due to containing Cyanide, Glock used Melonite on USA made guns but stopped using it in 2010 and now use a cheap metal treatment followed by a cheap finish and as of 2010 Glock's have tons of complaints about finishes scraping/flaking and wearing off very quickly, so they now offer a Optional finish, they are actually now the worst finish of all major guns!

Fortunately my early Glock. Walther etc.. have Tenifer and were made in Austria/Germany.

Tenifer/Melonite/Arcor/Nitride are a "Metal Treatment" and not a finish all of thes treatments will impregnate the metal for a few thousand millimeters and thus offer great rust protection, however any gun thus treated Can Not be touched up with Gun Blue, since it wont penetrate the metal!

CZ uses Polycoat over a Arcor/Melonite finish, Polycoat is an electrostatically applied pieces of Polymer which then are baked on and currently is a great finish but somewhat dull.

The best way to reduce wear on any gun finish is use a good Leather holster and never Kydex.

The best gun finishes are as follows!

1) Chrome, but looks pimped so get blackened Chrome.
2) Nickel, hardly used anymore but can flake/chip over time.
3)Stainless Steel, actually not a finish since its in metal, but usually a Inox (great) finish is then applied and can be buffed for scuffs/scrapes.
4) Park.
5) Good Blue.
6) Polycoat types.

Lately many major gun makers offer Cerakote (which I will never buy or have put on a gun, some like it since it is a sprayed on finish then cured and can be used on plastics also like gun stocks/ grips but will wear/flake easy and look like ****, cant be touched up but entire gun needs to be refinished.

 

[ThrowinRocks]

Tenifer/Melonite/Arcor/Nitride are a "Metal Treatment"

Why? Why? Why?

There's a TON of these threads about the chemicals used.

Who really cares?

People are now buying guns that are called battle worn so which do you want? A pretty gun or an ugly gun?

If its a queen safe then it really doesn't matter what treatment is used. LOL

Rant Over.

 

[akdude]

Tenifer/Melonite/Arcor/Nitride are a "Metal Treatment"

Why? Why? Why?

There's a TON of these threads about the chemicals used.

Who really cares?

People are now buying guns that are called battle worn so which do you want? A pretty gun or an ugly gun?

If its a queen safe then it really doesn't matter what treatment is used. LOL

Rant Over.

Where, Where, Where??????????????????????????????

Most people want a top notch finish that holds up, not some cheap 1 which flakes/rubs off as many now do, especially Glocks!

 

[akdude]

In Ur case just keep buying 2nds, Blems and display models! Any gun finish will wear and scratch but I want to be the 1 causing it, just like a new car U may buy a dented, keyed 1 but most don't!

 

[ThrowinRocks]

I buy new but I don't freak out over a scratch but that's just me. If I see a good price on a blem I'll buy it. lol
If your Glock has issues and you can prove it's the treatment process they'll redo it for you. If they say you caused it I think they charge $60.00. Good price to get it fixed and better than Cerakote.
Everyone I know with Cerakoted guns complain about it peeling/flaking off.

 

[Smakmauz]

Not sure where you got your info on glock finishes but all 5 of my gen 4 glocks finishes are holding up just like any other QPQ nitride process gun. The black oxide will wear off in some spots using kydex holsters and carried daily. But I kinda like the character it imparts.

Also you're OPINION of best gun finishes is a little subjective considering you don't give any parameters as to what you believe go into making the "best gun finish"

Maybe you should start a new thread on that one

 

[akdude]

Just found out on the FDE the Cerakote finish is applied over the Armornite treatment!