Got my P 2.0 today!

[akdude]

Not sure where you got your info on glock finishes but all 5 of my gen 4 glocks finishes are holding up just like any other QPQ nitride process gun. The black oxide will wear off in some spots using kydex holsters and carried daily. But I kinda like the character it imparts.

Also you're OPINION of best gun finishes is a little subjective considering you don't give any parameters as to what you believe go into making the "best gun finish"

Maybe you should start a new thread on that one

Go to Goggle and put in --- Glock gen 4 finish problems

then be ready to spent days reading about the issues!

I have a Gen 1 (called a Gen 2.5) made in Austria in the very early 1990's and it stays and gets carried in a IWB horse-hide holster for about 23 yrs. daily and finish is 99.9%!

On the list of Finishes that is for standard guns as sold and does not include "Custom Finishes"!

 

[Smakmauz]

That's weird... I've never heard of a gen 1 that's actually a gen 2.5

Gen 1- 1st generation grip texture, no finger grooves, no rail
Gen 2- 2nd generation (RTF1) grip texture, no finger grooves, no rail
Gen 3- 2nd generation (RTF1)grip texture, finger grooves, rail
Gen 3 RTF2- RTF2 grip texture version of a normal gen 3. Some had special cocking serrations that looked like fish gills
Gen 4- RTF3 grip texture, finger grooves (except M variants), rail.

Those are the generations I know about....

 

[akdude]

I had left out 2 Magic numbers talking about mine bought in the early 1990's which was a Gen 1 Glock Model "27" which is called a Gen 2.5 by Glock and all of its "Minions" since it does not have Texture in the finger Grooves.

So my Gen. 1 is always called a Gen 2.5 since it has smooth finger grooves.

Google -- Glock 2.5 -- and U will know all about it!

 

[akdude]

QUOTE!
Gen 1- 1st generation grip texture, no finger grooves, no rail.
Gen 2- 2nd generation (RTF1) grip texture, no finger grooves, no rail.
QUOTE!

Not quite correct! Since the Gen 1 model 27 has finger grooves!

My Gen 1 Model 27 (called a Gen 2.5) has "Finger Grooves" no texture in grooves and no Rail!

 

[akdude]

gen 2.5 glocks

Click on above link scroll 1/2 way down page and U will see pictures of a Gen 1 Model 27 AKA Gen 2.5 and a Gen 3 as well as a Gen 4, the Gen 1 Model 27 AKA Model 27 Gen 2.5 are quite rare made in Austria with "Tenifer" and only and few were made and I have 1!


NOOOOH its not for Sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mark IV]

.......Manufacturers design and specify their magazines to a particular capacity for engineering reasons .........If squeezing an extra round into a magazine crushes the spring beyond its elastic limit it may do damage that either shortens its useful life or adversely affects its reliability. Or both.

So there usually are reasons for NOT loading a magazine beyond its stated capacity.

Good post,with valid points (that seem to have been lost on the OP).

 

[akdude]

Good post,with valid points (that seem to have been lost on the OP).

I see Ure point but as I said earlier out of all my pistols which hold X amt. of rounds the last 1 is almost impossible to get in mag!

The only 2 guns I have where there is room left when loaded to stated amt. of rds. are the VP9 and the MP 2.0 !

So if there were or could be an issue with mags/springs then why is there never an issue with all these +2 mag extensions, which do not use a different spring but simply more ammo in a new base with the same spring!

Keeping a mag loaded for yrs. does not hurt springs but what will over time weaken springs is the act of loading/unloading not being compressed.

I have several different mags AR/AK ec that have been stored loaded for 30 yrs. and with "NO" issues, except on some AR early mags the Aluminum feed-lips can bend outwards!

 

[Mark IV]

The only 2 guns I have where there is room left when loaded to stated amt. of rds. are the VP9 and the MP 2.0 !

Which begs the question: how do you know there's extra space in magazine ? The only way to know, is if you're trying to cram an extra round in, and then find out it went.
The guy's point was that there's no real practical upside here, while there's a definite possibility of damage.

.....Keeping a mag loaded for yrs. does not hurt springs but what will over time weaken springs is the act of loading/unloading not being compressed.

This is widely known, and mentioned here already, so I'm not sure what your point is.

...I have several different mags AR/AK ec that have been stored loaded for 30 yrs. and with "NO" issues, except on some AR early mags the Aluminum feed-lips can bend outwards!

Seriously? You have AK and AR mags that have been loaded for 3 decades? What for,exactly?
But again, the discussion here isn't about the duration of compression, but about over-compression. They're not the same thing.

So if there were or could be an issue with mags/springs then why is there never an issue with all these +2 mag extensions, which do not use a different spring but simply more ammo in a new base with the same spring!

This sounds like you're being argumentative, and still not getting the point that you just said you did get.
Most +2 extensions I've seen ad length and inner space to the magazine body, giving the spring a little extra "breathing room", so to speak. They don't simply magically allow you to cram extra rounds in, and over-compress the spring.
There's no free lunch.

 

[akdude]

The Mecgar +2 base mag extensions have been around for almost 30 yrs. with no issues, but they cost $10. for 1 base and so Beretta has been putting the Mecgar +2 bases on their mags for yrs. if 1 wants more rounds than standard and charging a few bucks more,thus saving the Customer a bunch of $.

On some Beretta mags like the PX4 & APX where the Mecgar +2 bases don't fit, Beretta makes their own proprietary bases for these.

CZ makes their own +2 bases and also does add them to their mags if 1 wants more rounds, Walther does the same and makes their own bases, the Rex Zero also uses the Mecgar +2 bases if U buy their Tactical version and all of the companies use the regular mag spring but simply add the +2 bases.

If U want to add more than 3 rounds to a mag than U need to get a longer/stronger spring, which is common knowledge and all these companies which make mag base extension ranging from +2 to +5 will tell U this!

Seems not many knowledgeable folks on this forum, but a bunch of "Newbies" so this is a learning experience for them!

Now some folks also in order to get 1 or 2 more rounds in a mag will cut off a coil or 2 on the spring, popular on th Glocks model 42/43 and they claim works just fine, however I would not recommend this.

 

[akdude]

QUOTE!
Which begs the question: how do you know there's extra space in magazine ? The only way to know, is if you're trying to cram an extra round in, and then find out it went.
The guy's point was that there's no real practical upside here, while there's a definite possibility of damage.
QUOTE!

As I said before in this Thread if U own a mag and it states it holds X amount of rounds the last 1 is impossible to get in (glocks are bad about this) and once loaded to stated capacity then U simply cant push the rounds down, so no room left except on the VP9 & MP 2.0 where after loading the listed amt. of ammo 15 in VP9 and 17 in the MP 2.0 then U can easily push down the last round almost 1"!

Which shows U that there is room for 1 more round!

 

[Mark IV]

...Which shows U that there is room for 1 more round!

You're still somehow missing the point. It's irrelevant if there's "room" for one more round. By cramming more ammo in there, you're compressing the spring beyond the manufacturer's limit. Why is this so important to you, especially on what is already a high capacity magazine?
That's the kinda stuff we expect from newbs and younger shooters, envisioning a looming Red Dawn-esque invasion or zombie apocalypse.

Seems not many knowledgeable folks on this forum, but a bunch of "Newbies" so this is a learning experience for them!

Yes, do keep these sage pearls of wisdom flowing, this forum so filled with un-knowledgeable people can use all the help we can get !!

 

[akdude]

A mag spring being compressed wont weaken it but what does weaken it over time is constant loading/unloading!

 

[Mark IV]

A mag spring being compressed wont weaken it but what does weaken it over time is constant loading/unloading!

Good lord !!! I know that !! I already stated that this was widely known, and has already been referenced here by others!! What we're talking about here is compressing the spring BEYOND it's recommended limts. OK ????
Are you just being obtuse, or do you have issues with reading comprehension ?
here you go, give it another try. This is from way back in post #3:

".....springs do not wear out by being compressed (they wear out by being cycled, so leave mags loaded and save a decompress/compress cycle) UNLESS the springs are moved beyond their material's elastic limit.
If squeezing an extra round into a magazine crushes the spring beyond its elastic limit it may do damage that either shortens its useful life or adversely affects its reliability. Or both.
So there usually are reasons for NOT loading a magazine beyond its stated capacity...."

 

[Smakmauz]

QUOTE!
Gen 1- 1st generation grip texture, no finger grooves, no rail.
Gen 2- 2nd generation (RTF1) grip texture, no finger grooves, no rail.
QUOTE!

Not quite correct! Since the Gen 1 model 27 has finger grooves!

My Gen 1 Model 27 (called a Gen 2.5) has "Finger Grooves" no texture in grooves and no Rail!

well thats your opinion, and you're entitled to it but your glock isn't a gen 1. The generation doesn't refer to the model specifically but to the entire line up. just because they didn't have the glock 27 until the line was in its second generation doesn't mean its a gen 1 glock. its a late addition to the second generation of their line up...hence the gen 2.5 moniker. thats why everyone on the fan boy forums calls them gen 2.5 and not gen 1. you can call it whatever you want to make yourself feel fancy but that doesn't really track with anything I've ever heard.

and yes I know the subcompacts have never had rails and I should have put that in my previous comment but I assumed you were talking about one of the larger guns because you said it was a gen 1 and they didn't make the subs in gen 1.

besides, I think your're on the wrong forum board to be bragging about odd ball glocks...don't think anyone cares here

 

[gc70]

Seems not many knowledgeable folks on this forum, but a bunch of "Newbies" so this is a learning experience for them!

This should be interesting to watch.