Gun Sales By State

Muss Muggins said:
The process for revoking a CCP in the several states I'm sure is not automatic. Since the FFL, I think, and I could be wrong, has no avenue to instantly verify the veracity of a particular CCP, I'm sure that occasionally some purchases slip thru the cracks. Since I'm also sure that such a purchase used in a crime would instantly become national news, I believe it to be rare.

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We ran into that "slip through the crack" problem quite a bit up here. The problem was that the Feds up here are very selective about doing prosecutions. Unless it was high profile or large volume, they usually didn't get involved. A bit like DEA handles their investigations. I think thats why you don't hear more about it.
 
If the cases aren't prosecuted, how are they public knowledge? And doesn't Massachusetts have laws regarding this that can charged at the state level?

cmj8591 said:
We ran into that "slip through the crack" problem quite a bit up here. The problem was that the Feds up here are very selective about doing prosecutions. Unless it was high profile or large volume, they usually didn't get involved. A bit like DEA handles their investigations. I think thats why you don't hear more about it.
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Muss Muggins said:
If the cases aren't prosecuted, how are they public knowledge? And doesn't Massachusetts have laws regarding this that can charged at the state level?
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They're not public knowledge. Most of the state level laws are charged and prosecuted to various degrees of success. The federal statutes have more teeth and the feds have the tools to do a lot of investigations that can't be done at the state level, especially when it comes to trafficking guns. It's much more difficult for a state agency to do a multi jurisdictional investigation across state lines.
 
cmj8591 said:
I often wonder that myself. From reading a lot of these responses, it seems that there is no way to verify, real time, if a permit form another state is really valid. I'm going to guess that has a lot to do with it.
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Oh hell.... They don't honor other states LTC because they don't want to. Hard enough to get a carry permit in the state as it is They just want control. They sure aren't going to honor let's say Montana's permit. If you want to carry a gun they don't even want you in the state. Pretty much the same in NJ Md NY and maybe even De.. They seem to think we all live in the wild west with shootouts occurring daily As far as not being able to verify REAL TIME? bull crapo. NICS does it every day
 
pawngal said:
Can Massachusetts permits be verified in real time?
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Yes. Mass permits are updated real time. The court's enter their findings as they happen and the issuing police department and Dept. of Public Safety are notified electronically. This is all done real time so it doesn't matter if the affected permit is ever turned in. If an attempt is made to purchase a gun with the invalid permit, the FFL is notified and the sale is denied. It gets the FFL off the hook also because they don't have to worry about weather the permit in front of them is valid. It happened to me. I forgot my permit had expired and the police department issued a new one. When the new one was issued, because of how the application paper work is transmitted, there was a three day period before the new permit became valid. I tried to buy a gun in that lag time and the sale was denied.
 
Skeet 028 said:
Oh hell.... They don't honor other states LTC because they don't want to. Hard enough to get a carry permit in the state as it is They just want control. They sure aren't going to honor let's say Montana's permit. If you want to carry a gun they don't even want you in the state. Pretty much the same in NJ Md NY and maybe even De.. They seem to think we all live in the wild west with shootouts occurring daily As far as not being able to verify REAL TIME? bull crapo. NICS does it every day
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It's not hard at all to get an LTC in Mass even though it's not SHALL ISSUE. About the only people denied are ones who have a felony conviction on their record or had been court committed to a mental institution and try and slip through. Sometimes they even can jump through a couple of hoops and get that felony expunged and then reapply. Occasionally you get a police chief who gets a little full of themselves and starts denying permits just because they can. Those cases tend to get some traction in the press but there is a court appeal process that kicks in. Usually the city or town get sick of paying the town attorney to appear just so the chief gets some publicity and they rein him in. All in all, it's a pretty easy process. Now I don't know about the wild west in Wyoming other than what I read in books but if Wild Bill came to Mattapan (A suburb of Boston) on a Friday night, I have a feeling he'd run for the hills.
 
How then you aware of the vast pool of unprosecuted purchases of firearms with an invalid LTC?

cmj8591 said:
They're not public knowledge. Most of the state level laws are charged and prosecuted to various degrees of success. The federal statutes have more teeth and the feds have the tools to do a lot of investigations that can't be done at the state level, especially when it comes to trafficking guns. It's much more difficult for a state agency to do a multi jurisdictional investigation across state lines.
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cmj8591 said:
It's not hard at all to get an LTC in Mass even though it's not SHALL ISSUE. Now I don't know about the wild west in Wyoming other than what I read in books but if Wild Bill came to Mattapan (A suburb of Boston) on a Friday night, I have a feeling he'd run for the hills.
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Not wild out here but our population IS smaller. With the real time internet information age we are in Mass still won't allow out of state carry. It just doesn't want to, it ssems. I had a firearms business in Md and couldn't get a carry license...and traveled with firearms every week. I purchased guns in 12 or more different states including NY NJ Va NC Pa Oh Me and others. Couldn't get a LTC in my own state but had one in Pa. Heck I got stopped by a cop in NJ because I had a gun rack(empty) in my rear window. I will admit things may be a bit easier because of court cases in the past few years but I traveled with firearms up and down I-95 with out a personal protection firearm.... for years. And I had to worry about criminals and the restrictive police. I got stopped by a NY PO for 5 over coming home from Rochester NY with 10 firearms a bunch of ammo plus my skeet shotgun. Went to the US open Skeet Shoot and a wholesale dealer. He wanted to run me in for having all those "guns" in my back seat and 25 cases of ammo in the bed of the truck. Luckly I had an invoice from the wholesale dealer and my FFL. He was so flustered he didn't write a ticket either. LOL. I got stopped numerous time when *** saw the ammo reloading supplies in my truck...oh and the powder transport placards. I could only carry 100 pounds of powder
 
Skeet 028 said:
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With the real time internet information age we are in Mass still won't allow out of state carry. It just doesn't want to, it ssems.
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I'm sure there's a certain amount of truth in that. I think it's more about the politicians who don't want it than it is the residents. Of course the big wild card in all of this is the pending SCOTUS decision. That might turn the whole permitting process everywhere on its ear.
 
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