Gun Show Blah!

Decided to go to the local gun show today. I usually go on Friday night because it's free, but I wanted some moon clips for my 327pc, got there, paid the money only to find out the guy with all the Mags and clips went to a different show. I have a N-frame fetish so I walked around and spotted a 4-screw 4"barreled 38/44 HD, been looking for a shooter so I stopped and looked. It had been refinished in a matte chrome, trigger and hammer too, figured all I wanted was a shooter so I picked it up and checked the tag, figured $799.00 was way too much! bought some Amish pepperjack cheese and came home!

mbnatt,

There were two gun shows in GR yesterday, one at the deltaplex and one on 28th st. Which one did you go to?

I went to the deltaplex and my son went to 28th st. He didn't buy anything. I did a little swapping and ended up with a couple sweet commercial Mausers, a like-new Mark X '06 and a beautiful custom 7x57. Can't wait to shoot them! I didn't look at pistolas this time 'cause of the hoops I have to jump through to buy them (I don't have a CPL). Another one I drooled upon was a like-new Ruger Magnum rifle in 416 Rigby. I have no good reason to own such a rifle but want one anyway. :D

The apparent deal of the day was a Winchester 100 in 284 Win with a price of $350! It sounds too good to be true, and was. The barrel was toast and the stock finish completely gone. Not exactly collector grade. The barrel had a dent visible on the outside and inside, like something really heavy was dropped on it, or it was bent bad and straightened leaving a crease.

Buckey08,

We pay to attend our gun shows. With that comes the right to kick tires. I personally don't go just to kick tires, though it often ends up that way.
 
My last gunshow was a good one! Bought a Ruger Blackhawk 30 carbine in box. $360. Walked 3 rows, and a guy wanted to buy it. Told him I just bought it. He wanted it! After dickering, I sold it for $440. The bad thing for me was now I had extra $$$, and no Smith deals to be found. What is a free gunshow anyhow? Costs $5 to get in here, and $4 parking. Bob
 
I hear you! Gun shows around here (suburb outside Philadelphia) are full of guns at high gunstore prices, even the shooters. Cost $10 to get in the door and line is a mile long to get in. I haven't seen any deals at the last few. I've done better on PA forums. I read the stories here of how guys are finding these great guns at deal prices and know it can't be done around here at a show.
 
Decided to go to the local gun show today. I usually go on Friday night because it's free, but I wanted some moon clips for my 327pc, got there, paid the money only to find out the guy with all the Mags and clips went to a different show. I have a N-frame fetish so I walked around and spotted a 4-screw 4"barreled 38/44 HD, been looking for a shooter so I stopped and looked. It had been refinished in a matte chrome, trigger and hammer too, figured all I wanted was a shooter so I picked it up and checked the tag, figured $799.00 was way too much! bought some Amish pepperjack cheese and came home!

mbnatt, just curious....at that show, lets say you had in your posession that exact same conditioned 38/44 HD. You walk up to that same dealer and offer him the gun. what do you think he would have offered you for it? I suspect a much different deal right? ;)
 
Went to a show in Tulsa yesterday but the only good deals I saw were on guns that I already had, or didn't really want. Very clean nickel M-13 for $375 (don't care for nickel) and a nice 6" M-19 (with Pachmayrs) also priced at $375 (already have one). I did buy a nice wooden cigar box for a grandson for $5.

The Wanenmacher show is at the end of March, maybe there I can get rid of the money I saved.
 
Gun shows in MI are really hit and miss, I have made some fantastic finds at prices I thought were at the point of stealing them. Always looking at the walk in's and what they are carrying before they make it to the dealers.

I will say that the last Mason gun show had a ton of older Colts and S&Ws show up, it looked like someone was liquidating a very nice collection and overall, the prices were pretty decent. I went with the specific purpose of buying one Model 18 I had been dickering on for a few shows and ended up buying it when the private seller finally moved on the price.

For $6, it's a heck of a cheap day if you don't have to travel to far. I also know a few dealers who keep their eyes open for certain things I'm looking for, don't mind paying them a few bucks for their help.
 
Ya know, I was rustling around in my reloading stuff the other day. I found a thousand pack of primers with a $6.99 price tag on them, and a full sleeve of 10,000 with a price of 8.99. Those crooks at the gun show tables are asking over $30. for them now!

I heard a guy at the show yesterday who was looking at a pretty decent looking M10. Nothing real special. But it was priced at $410, no box just the darn gun. The guy said they were only about $250 a while back. The seller didn't blink. He told the guy he should have bought that one. Back when Carter was president.

If you put fuel in the tank to get to the gun show, you didn't pay $1.699 for it. You paid $382.9 (or at least that's what it cost me on Friday.) I remember as a kid when the deposit on pop bottles jumped from $.02 way to $.05. For me, it was a mixed blessing. I sure got a lot more out of the ones I found along the road, but fewer folks were pitching them.

Lots of our posters need a lesson in economics. Prices are rising in fits an starts, but they are going up. Buy the things that haven't jumped yet.

And some posters come into these threads and tell you to sell your precious collection for the prices you think are reasonable. But then our complaining members won't do that. They want to enjoy the increased value of their own guns, but still want to add to the collection buy purchasing at 20 year old prices. And they get upset when its not happening.

Times are getting harder. If you want another gun, go buy it at the LGS. Except he doesn't have more than a few worn and battered old S&Ws, maybe a Colt, and a few Tauri. He's got some semi-autos. With names we can't pronounce and in calibers that we've never heard of.

I was lucky yesterday. Both of my sons came along. And they each were burdened down with their own stuff, not my purchases for a change. And I have no doubt the junk they bought was cheaper and probably unavailable around home. They're happy, I'm happy, and we had a very good day. We saw a lot of friends, and we even saw a bunch of pretty rare guns. Most probably priced fairly at today's levels. Some pretty cheap. Read Charlie's comments in his gun show post. His son did pretty well judging by the smile on his face. Scored some pretty rare ammo, I think he said French .30 Carbine in small boxes. To me it held no value, but he seems to think he can double or triple his money. The things I think are junk, others love.

I'm getting the idea that the complainers don't really know what they're looking at and conclude its trash at high prices.

I only bought one gun, but I was loaded up with cash to buy a few special things, then got cold feet and didn't. And I didn't buy any beef jerky. I did blow $20 on lunch, but it fed me and both my sons.
 
Frankly, I'm getting tired of those who seem to think its OK to overprice shooter-grade guns. The usual long, drawn-out lectures on economics, rising prices and so-forth.
A refinished old gun is pretty much a shooter or a parts gun, in most cases, and should be priced accordingly. When a seller wants way too much for such a gun, sure, he has the right to ask it but the rest of us have a right to make fun of him for it. I'm not talking about the guy who is asking $300 for his refinished and modified HD when its worth $275, but the guy who is asking $800! Its now just a big 38, for pete's sake!
We pay $10 plus parking fees to get into a gun show so we can find a good deal or two...or maybe find something just downright special or needed. If I want to pay full retail for something then my LGS will oblige... and let me in for free. I'm still enjoying the shows in SC, but I know fellow enthuiasts in other states that are sick of the whole gunshow deal.
 
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mbnatt, just curious....at that show, lets say you had in your posession that exact same conditioned 38/44 HD. You walk up to that same dealer and offer him the gun. what do you think he would have offered you for it? I suspect a much different deal right? ;)

Probably $200 or less! LOL
 
I'm getting the idea that the complainers don't really know what they're looking at and conclude its trash at high prices.

The idea I get from above is that gun show attendees are disappointed when they spend a lot of money on gas to get to the show, maybe shell out a bunch of money to park, pay a high entry fee, in the process using up a good portion of a precious day off, only to find 800 dollar run of the mill 19's, 800 dollar refinished HD's, flea market stuff, etc. It could be they don't know anything, or it could be they've seen a general deterioration in the quality of gun shows and are commenting on it here.
 
The idea I get from above is that gun show attendees are disappointed when they spend a lot of money on gas to get to the show, maybe shell out a bunch of money to park, pay a high entry fee, in the process using up a good portion of a precious day off, only to find 800 dollar run of the mill 19's, 800 dollar refinished HD's, flea market stuff, etc. It could be they don't know anything, or it could be they've seen a general deterioration in the quality of gun shows and are commenting on it here.

+1! As I said, I've worked both sides of the table recently. Dealers (or at least casual sellers) with quality merchandise priced fairly will probably have buyers, driving a long distance and paying what I used to pay for a table just to get in, then to see the same new items at MSRP, badly flogged beaters priced as high grade collectibles, and the rest of the tables filled with survival food and jewelry is a little annoying. JMHO, YMMV!

Green Frog
 
I've grown tired of walking past tables full of $1000 Garands that look like they were re-imported after 65 years buried in the Ardenne. Same for the $500 Model 10's that were apparently dragged behind patrol vehicles rather than carried in holsters while on duty.

Just because something is old (relatively speaking) or no longer in production does not mean it is automatically worth a ton of dollars, regardless of condition. Even in this day of the rapidly declining US currency.

That is the gun show scene in my part of PA and that is why I no longer waste my time.
 
I've grown tired of walking past tables full of $1000 Garands that look like they were re-imported after 65 years buried in the Ardenne. Same for the $500 Model 10's that were apparently dragged behind patrol vehicles rather than carried in holsters while on duty.

Just because something is old (relatively speaking) or no longer in production does not mean it is automatically worth a ton of dollars, regardless of condition. Even in this day of the rapidly declining US currency.

That is the gun show scene in my part of PA and that is why I no longer waste my time.



Must be from SE PA like me! I've stopped going as well for now.
 
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We still have good shows here. I don't even stop at the tables with a lot of new stuff. I think the comment about single table guys who have looked around for good deals and are following their hobby is true. I posted on the Fairbanks show yesterday. I could have spent $2500 and been quite happy. The Palmer show is coming up and people will drive 350 miles one way and get a hotel room and still be happy with what they find there. The worst shows were two years ago when there was an ammo panic which seemed to spread but that cleared up and I enjoy ours again.
 
Kalamazoo, MI is having one in March. I was thinking of going but after reading here I'm not so sure if I still want to. I've never been to one though. I thought I would look for a S&W M&P in .22. I like the way it "fits" my hand!
 
Kalamazoo, MI is having one in March. I was thinking of going but after reading here I'm not so sure if I still want to. I've never been to one though. I thought I would look for a S&W M&P in .22. I like the way it "fits" my hand!

If it's not too far away, go! You never know!
 
Kalamazoo is only 30 minutes away and its only $6.00 to get in so maybe I will go if for no other reason than to say I've been.
 
Well, I am just back from the Washington Arms Collectors show in Puyallup. I had tables and did well with my mostly old S&W's. It was very crowded on Sat so that the crowd could hardly move, finally thinned out late in the day. I came home with a couple of "Treasures" for my personal stash, a model 13 with 3" bbl shooter grade and a 3rd model Russian for the collection. It was a tiring weekend for us but well worth it. We drive two hours there and stay in a motel this time of the year. Have been doing shows for about 25 years and they have changed not always for the better but still interesting. I also hit a few of the small shows around western Washington and seldom come away dissapointed.I find that I can ignore the irrelevant and overpriced stuff and enjoy the rest. Finding a Treasure, such as the Russian mentioned above, can make up for a lot.
So if you spot an old grey beard guy with glasses in bib overalls at the show introduce yourself and say hi it might well be me. I usually have a thermos of coffee, bring your own cup.
Bob Ray 1815
 
Wife and I "wasted" $14.00 & time attending the show at the Armory in Columbia today. Took all of 20 min. to cover it and half was flea market junk. Most pistola dealers only carry tupperware and pocket pistols anymore. Slim pickins for an old Smith guy like me.
 
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