Had a Situation Tonight-Why I Carry Concealed!

One thing in the OP concerns me. The phrase about " I had my 40C in my pocket......." Hopefully that 40C was in a pocket holster, protecting the trigger from accidental contact and possible unintended discharge.

Early this year a local guy had his Glock in his coat pocket and got shot in the femoral artery and bled to death in front of his family. Now, the M&P trigger isn't that of a Glock, but you MUST have the piece in a holster that protects the trigger. In his case, the seat belt
 
WR Moore said:
One thing in the OP concerns me. The phrase about " I had my 40C in my pocket......." Hopefully that 40C was in a pocket holster, protecting the trigger from accidental contact and possible unintended discharge.

Early this year a local guy had his Glock in his coat pocket and got shot in the femoral artery and bled to death in front of his family. Now, the M&P trigger isn't that of a Glock, but you MUST have the piece in a holster that protects the trigger. In his case, the seat belt
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it is in a pocket holster...

conveniently, there is a mesh pocket on my center console right by my knee...now when i get in, the gun comes out of my pocket, holster included and put in that pocket. it sits at the perfect angle for a quick draw. it can easily be put back in the pocket before i exit the vehicle. this is my normal procedure anyway. but that was my last stop and i was on my way home...

once the weather gets a little colder and i start carrying with my owb holster, it will be easy enough to transfer from one to the next also.
 
A few years ago, a lawyer friend asked me to use my DSLR to take some good pictures of some people protesting a facility in the building where his office was. Most of them weren't a problem, but a small faction decided that it was going to INTENTIONALLY block the view of the street from the hidden driveway (they almost caused me to get hit), harass EVERYBODY who went into the building, hold up large, gory posters (which they used to block the view of traffic) and video people's children when they complained. They'd been warned repeatedly, and had actually told a co-worker that they didn't CARE if they caused a FATAL traffic accident.

I sat in front of an adjacent building, taking pictures of them creating a traffic hazard.

One of them came over and started verbally abusing me. I just ignored him, while remaining prepared to 1. retreat into the building, 2. draw and defend myself if attacked. My refusal to engage with him just made him angrier. When I refused to take the bait, he gave up and walked away.

A few minutes later, an easily 350lb., foul mouthed Jabba the Hut clone took his place and began loudly and obscenely attempting to provoke me into a physical altercation which he clearly planned to video. I simply ignored him which sent him into a literally incandescent rage. He got no reaction, or even recognition from me. He finally walked away seething because I wasn't as stupid as he'd hoped.

My friend then called a meeting with the protesters concerning the hazard to traffic which some of them were creating. The majority were perfectly willing to stand back from the street to avoid creating any danger. The troublemakers doubled down on stupid, whereupon the majority told them that they didn't want anything to do with them anymore and didn't want them standing with them.

As an aside regarding Jabba the Hut, my friend asked him if he thought it was smart to try to pick a fistfight with a guy wearing an NRA instructor's cap and reading a book on machine guns. Moby Dick instantly turned into a scared, deathly white whale when it dawned on him that he'd been poking a tiger in the butt with a barbeque fork.

Of course BOTH rants attempting to incite a street fight were recorded in full. I have them to this day.
 
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people just don't think...this guy had no idea i was carrying. i have said to my wife on a few occasions..."do they no know that people are allowed to carry guns in PA?" or a tongue in cheek "do they not know i could shoot them?" as a way of saying even if i were the biggest billy bad-@** in the world, i would still not try to incite any kind of anger because that other person may have a gun and be faster and better with it than i am...
 
cmort666 said:
As an aside regarding Jabba the Hut, my friend asked him if he thought it was smart to try to pick a fistfight with a guy wearing an NRA instructor's cap and reading a book on machine guns. Moby Dick instantly turned into a scared, deathly white whale when it dawned on him that he'd been poking a tiger in the butt with a barbeque fork.
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That is HILARIOUS!:D
 
It's easy to find a fight. It takes a real man to know when to walk away....
 
speedyquad said:
it was. I'm pretty non-confrontational. This was the closest i have ever been to being in a fight.
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This post made me scratch my head a little. I'd say if this is the closest you've come to a fight you are indeed very non-confrontational. I couldn't count the number of fights I was in on both hands before I was out of elementary school. I am glad you didn't draw the gun. In a one on one verbal confrontation (unless he was 6'5" and 240 lbs and you're 5'8" and 160 or your 75 YO and he's 24) it's no place for a weapon. You need disparity of force to justify escalation to deadly force. That means more than one potential attacker, a weapon introduced, or an actual physical confrontation in which you reasonably fear for your life.

I've drawn a gun twice in my life, both times involved multiple assailants and ended (fortunately) without a shot being fired. If you fear conflict with a single hot head, you need training or tools for non-lethal resolution of such conflicts. I'd recommend martial arts or other combatives training or perhaps pepper spray or a kubaton or both. You don't want to get slapped or punched and end up in prison long term because you didn't punch back and chose to draw a gun to resolve a mano-e-mano confrontation.
 
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i'm 5'3" 160...pretty darn close and he was over 6 ft probably 200ish, but it was hard to tell from inside...i'm 40 and have have a few high speed 4 wheeler rolls that, even though i laughed them off when younger, i feel them now 20 years later

there is no doubt he, in his 20's, could have whomped on me if given the chance...

the gun is carried to protect myself from ANY threat, single or multiple.

seems like i didn't draw...
 
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In a one on one verbal confrontation (unless he was 6'5" and 240 lbs and you're 5'8" and 160 or your 75 YO and he's 24) it's no place for a weapon. You need disparity of force to justify escalation to deadly force. That means more than one potential attacker, a weapon introduced, or an actual physical confrontation in which you reasonably fear for your life...If you fear conflict with a single hot head, you need training or tools for non-lethal resolution of such conflicts. I'd recommend martial arts or other combatives training or perhaps pepper spray or a kubaton or both.
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I don't fear conflict much because I don't knowingly provoke it. On the other hand, I'm 76, I've probably shrunk in height to around 5'7", I have bad lungs and knees and arthritic hands, and I couldn't run if my life literally depended on it.

Avoidance of trouble is the key, and I pray I never have to draw my gun in self defense. But if push comes to thug it may have to become an option sooner than it would for you who are able to apply "martial arts or other combatives training".
 
I stand corrected....twice. I get both your points. I just don't want anyone to have the life George Zimmerman is stuck with if they can avoid it. Had it not been for a broken nose and bloody head along with a witness come forward to testify on his behalf, he'd likely be behind bars right now and he didn't fire until it actually was life threatening.

I think its a great idea to avoid if possible, then try to de-escalate situations before words become actions, We all have a very high degree of responsibility once we make the decision to carry lethal force. I was a guys who fought my way through much of my early life. I owe it to a good woman (my bride for over 30 years) for being a positive influence on me and then the responsibility of father hood that changed my 10 feet tall and bulletproof lifestyle. Even then I had a bit of a hair trigger on my temper until I started carrying. That added duty of knowing the consequences of any conflict has kept me largely out of any trouble for the past three decades or so. I have gone to my vehicle and put the gun away a time or two when some ******* was out of line and I felt conflict was coming and it was beyond my ability to just leave and let it go. I still make stupid decisions sometimes but I always weigh the options and consequences before I act or react now. That's progress I suppose.
 
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