Yeah, you are right about that lung! That's funny!Anyways, bet that l'il SOB had one helluva headache!
And to think rburg has been shootin' raccoons with a 22! (Say, where is Dick anyway? Hope no complications to his recent surgery...)
Handgun stopping power an impression made
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Yeah, you are right about that lung! That's funny!Anyways, bet that l'il SOB had one helluva headache!
And to think rburg has been shootin' raccoons with a 22! (Say, where is Dick anyway? Hope no complications to his recent surgery...)
Texas Star
US Veteran
The late Jeff Cooper described three of his pistol incidents to me. In one case,he had a Colt SAA .45 Colt and shot a Jap on a log. Meant to fire twice, but said that the Jap was hit so hard that he flipped off the log and fell dead on receiving the first.
I don't remember the second, and haven't time to find his letter just now. But his .45 auto sufficed.
In the third case, a commie guerilla in some Asian country had a go at Cooper with a Sten gun. Cooper hit him with a .45 auto and he went down.
But weird things happen.
I once saw a badger hit between the shoulders from above with a service load from a .45 auto. He was pinned against a wall in the mess hall by a wooden sign held by two men. The badger was in a corner.
On taking the bullet, he began trying to claw his way through that board and get at us. The blood was quite thick. It actually reminded me of catsup.I suppose that it was arterial. The animal took about two minutes to die. It was a sobering experience.
The badger couldn't be shot in the head as the medics needed to analyze the brain for rabies.
T-Star
I don't remember the second, and haven't time to find his letter just now. But his .45 auto sufficed.
In the third case, a commie guerilla in some Asian country had a go at Cooper with a Sten gun. Cooper hit him with a .45 auto and he went down.
But weird things happen.
I once saw a badger hit between the shoulders from above with a service load from a .45 auto. He was pinned against a wall in the mess hall by a wooden sign held by two men. The badger was in a corner.
On taking the bullet, he began trying to claw his way through that board and get at us. The blood was quite thick. It actually reminded me of catsup.I suppose that it was arterial. The animal took about two minutes to die. It was a sobering experience.
The badger couldn't be shot in the head as the medics needed to analyze the brain for rabies.
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IMHO, (and I'm no expert) a "center mass" shot is a high probability of HIT shot, not a high probability of KILL - especially in these days of concealable, available body armor.
As mike 1100 said - even with HIGH power weapons, well placed lung/heart/vital shots are not one-shot-drop. The only shots guaranteed to drop the victim instantly every time are those that sever the spinal column - an inarguably low percentage shot from an accuracy standpoint.
As mike 1100 said - even with HIGH power weapons, well placed lung/heart/vital shots are not one-shot-drop. The only shots guaranteed to drop the victim instantly every time are those that sever the spinal column - an inarguably low percentage shot from an accuracy standpoint.
semperfi71
US Veteran
For many years I had heard, what we all have heard, is that the Colt SAA and the New Service were sent to to Phillipines to stop the crazed Moros that the .38 Colt would not.
However I have since read that the .45s and .30-40 Krags would not stop a really fired up Moro. The only reliable hand-held stopper was the 12 gauge.
I was told by Marines and Army dudes [supposedly more experienced than me] that a hit in the THUMB by the .45 auto would knock a man down. It would probably knock me down because it would hurt like hell!! But a real man just might keep on coming.
However I have since read that the .45s and .30-40 Krags would not stop a really fired up Moro. The only reliable hand-held stopper was the 12 gauge.
I was told by Marines and Army dudes [supposedly more experienced than me] that a hit in the THUMB by the .45 auto would knock a man down. It would probably knock me down because it would hurt like hell!! But a real man just might keep on coming.
When reading stories and books by Col. Cooper, it frequently seemed that somehow, the .45 was much more effective when the Col. was the one shooting it. I finally concluded that the sheer force of his personality had a propellant effect on the round he fired and caused it to become more effective than when used by us lesser mortals.
Here's a guy found still alive 24 hours after being shot 12 times, I assume with a pistol, and having his throat slashed -- by a young lady, no less: El Paso Inc But I understand he's dead now.
Krull
Member
I'll tell you another eye opener I had with woodchucks:
When I moved here in the early 90's we had one come up on our porch and eat the damn grass mat! middle of bloody summer and the little poofer decides to much on an old,hard,probably treated grass mat!
So I determine that something must be done,thing is catching him in the yard wasn't a plan as he was fast,up on the porch wasn't good ether since bullet holes in it would make Grandma a bit irritated
So I see him up there one day munching away and I think "well maybe I can make him go elsewhere for dinner" so I load up a .22 revolver we had then with snake shot~yes snake shot my thought was he'd get hit and go flying and not come back.
So I ease the door open and pop him right between the shoulder blades at about two feet BANG! he goes flying off and I think I'll get him later when he's not so sore......
Next day I'm in the yard and walk around behind the house to get some things done and you know what I find? a dead woodchuck! damn snake shot had somehow got in far enough to get his lungs and,I assume,his heart!
True he went a good way,and I think he went in his hole and came out the next morn and croaked then but it bloody well killed him! egads! the least effective round claims a score now and then!
Like I said I've had some wild go rounds out here with hunting vermin and the like.
When I moved here in the early 90's we had one come up on our porch and eat the damn grass mat! middle of bloody summer and the little poofer decides to much on an old,hard,probably treated grass mat!
So I determine that something must be done,thing is catching him in the yard wasn't a plan as he was fast,up on the porch wasn't good ether since bullet holes in it would make Grandma a bit irritated
So I see him up there one day munching away and I think "well maybe I can make him go elsewhere for dinner" so I load up a .22 revolver we had then with snake shot~yes snake shot my thought was he'd get hit and go flying and not come back.
So I ease the door open and pop him right between the shoulder blades at about two feet BANG! he goes flying off and I think I'll get him later when he's not so sore......
Next day I'm in the yard and walk around behind the house to get some things done and you know what I find? a dead woodchuck!
damn snake shot had somehow got in far enough to get his lungs and,I assume,his heart! True he went a good way,and I think he went in his hole and came out the next morn and croaked then but it bloody well killed him! egads! the least effective round claims a score now and then!
Like I said I've had some wild go rounds out here with hunting vermin and the like.
akviper
Member
Center mass hits are fine but how do you get the bad guy to hold still for your shot? Of all the "incidents" I had in my 30 year career I can only think of a few where the bad guy wasn't moving in one or more directions while I tracked him or her. In a real, in the dark, bad guy rushing you or moving while he fires at you you will be lucky to score any hit let alone the fabled head shot. Few if any people practice shooting a moving human sized target. Most shootings are within arms distance and a snap shot may be all you get.
Three D robots are available for more realistic defensive training. It's a real eye opener when trying to hit center mass on a moving, bobbing target. If allowed at your range and you can do it safely, try hitting some balloons on a windy day. It can be done but real life scenarios seldom resemble shooting a fixed daylight target on a square range.
Three D robots are available for more realistic defensive training. It's a real eye opener when trying to hit center mass on a moving, bobbing target. If allowed at your range and you can do it safely, try hitting some balloons on a windy day. It can be done but real life scenarios seldom resemble shooting a fixed daylight target on a square range.
