Having trouble deciding which M&P 15 to purchase

Lifetime warranty is of course attractive.

That said, keep in mind the AR15 is a modular rifle. There's a zillion manufactures making every part in every imaginable configuration for the platform. The tools and knowledge required to fix, replace or alter configuration is minimal and parts are relatively cheap compared to something like an S&W revolver.
 
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ChatanoogaPhil wrote:
The best bang for the buck is usually the model that best meets your wants/needs out of the box.

I think that's some of the best advice I've seen.

There are dozens (maybe more) threads here where someone has barely gotten their M&P-15 home before they're posting about changing the handguards, grip, sawing off the front sight, etc.
 
Having trouble deciding which M&P 15 to purchase

I'm not all that savvy of all the M&P15 configurations that are available, but recently noted the new 15T with the extended slimmer free-float tube looked promising. I like the longer rails. I don't care if he gun does or doesn't have a fixed front sight, but haven't seen any of the longer, free float rails that work with them.

For a new AR shooter, I offer the same advice as with a new pistol shooter - sink your money into ammo and training after acquiring a pistol. Hold off on the accessories (other than decent gun leather and something to secure the weapon if not being carried) until the shooter has gained a competent level of proficiency.

If the AR is only going to be used for plinking, a Sport is probably more than adequate. When buying a Sport, one gets a gun that can be upgraded with a new upper, barrel, pistol grip, sights, rail, optics, light, etc. Or, the shooter can go out and buy a model with more features that are standard. It simply depends on how a person is comfortable spending their money.

In terms of the fixed front sight in relation to optics, it really shouldn't matter if properly mounted. If a shooter is using the red dot as it was intended, the front sight assembly should not be an issue. A portion of the sight picture depends on how one holds the gun as well as how one uses the sights. As a LE trainer, I've seen some shooters who just couldn't comprehend that the front sight was not needed when using the optic. For others, it doesn't bother them. My employer issues 10.5 and 14 inch ARs with fixed front sights. Personally owned ARs are allowed, and the two options have flip-up fronts - one uses a free-float rail while the other a flip-up on the gas block. While I prefer the flip-up front sights, I do most of my shooting with a 10.5, fixed front sight assembly, with a Sig Romeo4M. If the dot constantly appears in the center of your front sight assembly, adjust your cheek weld.

If you're wanting an AR for home defense or competition, take stock of what you believe you need for the task and decide what package you want. For home defense or any AR usage, I prefer the minimalist approach - a red dot, a simple weapons light, and a sling.

For what it's worth, I've seen a few M&P Sport Is show up on my ranges that were being used for LE. They have always shot better than the shooters. The only problems associated were actually caused by all the gadgets and add-ons that were attached without reading the accompanying instructions.


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My recent fav...

DeltaTeamTactical Pistol kit 220
DeltaTeamTactical BCG 80
Run by Primary and pickup an Anderson for 30 bucks
Throw in a Shockwave Blade for 35 from DTT for giggles.

Im out little under 375 w/sh and a dab of tax at Primary. :D

Do you have to wait on sale prices? Of course. (they have gotten ridiculous lately havent they?)
 
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You will be hard pressed to build a better AR than the Sport for less than $500...
In the past I would agree with you, but not so much right now.

The market has been flooded with AR stuff. They're so cheap right now you can build for right at $500. It is better quality than the M&P Sport II? No, but it will be pretty close.

One problem with building for a new guy, is they don't know what they want. How could they? They have no experience which is why they come here asking questions.

As Phil stated, there is a plethora of stuff. Barrel length, twist rate, material, civ vs MIL Spec buffer tube, free float vs drop in forearm, type of butt stock, billet or cast, type of material for BCG, gas system length,...the list goes on and on. Get it wrong and you're quickly surpassing the budget.

And if you do get it wrong and want to sell it, it's more difficult with a built rifle. It has no brand name backing it up. Therefore, it has no verifiable history or reliability stats. It's just your word that it's OK. Buy an M&P15 instead and if you don't like it, it's still an M&P backed by S&W. Much easier to sell. Or at least easier to sell while not taking a huge hit on price.

No, Phil's advice is spot on, buy the already made one that is as close as you can get to what you want. It's cheaper in the long run.
 
In the past I would agree with you, but not so much right now.

The market has been flooded with AR stuff. They're so cheap right now you can build for right at $500. It is better quality than the M&P Sport II? No, but it will be pretty close.

That italicized part is the kicker though... If I can't build better at a lower cost than what I can purchase, there is not a lot of incentive to build for me.
 
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Ok, there are others from $10-$30 thare NOT blems. I can choose one of them and STILL be under $500! :rolleyes:

Here's one that's not a BLEM, and STILL under $500!
PSA AR-15 Complete Classic Lower - No Magazine - 7244
Or, this one. Still under $500!
PSA AR15 MOE EPT Lower, Black - 7780991
But are they better quality? Specs look ok, but it is still a budget line. I know PSA has had some assembly QC issues in the past... not sure if that is still an issue, but seems strange to me that you can buy complete, assembled upper and lowers for the same price as you can buy their rifle kits and have to assemble the lower yourself.
 
There are some who only see the price tag. They think that a lower price means a better deal. Then there are those who just have to have the super most mostness of anything. They are happy to pay a premium because they think that higher price means it's better quality.

Just because it costs less doesn't mean it's a better deal.
Just because it costs more doesn't mean it has better quality.

In my opinion, the M&P15 is the better deal for a new shooter. It has both low price and good quality backed by the second best warranty in the business. You can't get that from PSA.
 
But are they better quality? Specs look ok, but it is still a budget line. I know PSA has had some assembly QC issues in the past... not sure if that is still an issue, but seems strange to me that you can buy complete, assembled upper and lowers for the same price as you can buy their rifle kits and have to assemble the lower yourself.

I would compare PSA and S&W to both be budget level quality, but the sport is still only going to have a 1-9 or 1-8 twist.

And the $500 sport is only going to have milspec furniture were you can buy PSA kits with the magpul already in the kit.

I would never personally build a PSA rifle for myself, but I would never buy another S&W sport either. Mines getting passed down to my oldest son.
 
I would compare PSA and S&W to both be budget level quality, but the sport is still only going to have a 1-9 or 1-8 twist.

And the $500 sport is only going to have milspec furniture were you can buy PSA kits with the magpul already in the kit.

I would never personally build a PSA rifle for myself, but I would never buy another S&W sport either. Mines getting passed down to my oldest son.

Yes, I agree... both are made for a price point. I don't see the twist rate as an issue though... If you are buying the ammo that requires a 1:7 twist, you aren't buying a Sport, or PSA for that matter.

I don't have an issue with the standard furniture... just wish S&W would have used standard furniture with heat shields. More of that building to a price point.

I wouldn't buy another Sport either. Don't get me wrong, I think it is a great rifle for the price. I also think it is best left stock. It does what I need it to do... goes bang when I pull the trigger and puts the round in the vicinity of where I was aiming at.
 
I have the M&P Sport 2, optics ready and I mounted a Vortex Spitfire 3X prism scope on it. If the battery takes a ****, the lens is etched and gives a black reticle and useable that way. I'm not concerned about damage to the scope, as it's just a range gun.
 
But are they better quality? Specs look ok, but it is still a budget line. I know PSA has had some assembly QC issues in the past... not sure if that is still an issue, but seems strange to me that you can buy complete, assembled upper and lowers for the same price as you can buy their rifle kits and have to assemble the lower yourself.

Ok, if not PSA, there are MANY others that make the same quality as S&W, even better. Shall I start a build sheet here from one of the other manufacturers out there?
And, where's the fun in not building your own AR like YOU would want it?
Sorry OP, but I just thought I would open your eyes up to the potential of the AR build out there. I went to the S&W website, closed my eyes, and pointed to the M&P VTAC II. That's the one for you. I'm sure the F.B's will agree.
 
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Ok, if not PSA, there are MANY others that make the same quality as S&W, even better. Shall I start a build sheet here from one of the other manufacturers out there?
And, where's the fun in not building your own AR like YOU would want it?
Sorry OP, but I just thought I would open your eyes up to the potential of the AR build out there. I went to the S&W website, closed my eyes, and pointed to the M&P VTAC II. That's the one for you. I'm sure the F.B's will agree.

I know there are manufacturers that make the same quality... but the key phrase was "better quality" for the same money. I'll stand by my assertion that it would be difficult to build a BETTER gun than the Sport for the $500 or less that the Sport is available for. Not saying it can't be done, but it wouldn't be easy. You would have to shop for deals through multiple dealers. You couldn't just place an order for all the parts on one day through one or two shops... That takes time, and my time is worth something.

I can tell you that building an AR the way I want is way more expensive than a Sport. A good free float, M-LOK rail is going to cost over $100! :eek:

As for the VTAC II, it's a nice rifle, but unless you find a heckuva deal, it's overpriced. You can buy or build same quality for way less money... dare I even say "Better"! :D
 
Agonizing over a few dollars difference in price comparing PSA to S&W is entertaining fodder for discussion. However, consider a couple cases of cheap brass case ammo will cost $600 and if you practice much will evaporate in a couple months... uh... the initial price of the rifle can quickly become insignificant.

Buy the rifle you REALLY want. Ammo is too expensive to shoot through a rifle that isn't what you wanted to begin with but chose it to save a buck... not to mention the price of a quality optic, trigger, sling, magazines... on and on.
 
Could someone explain to me the difference in the M&P 15, I've seen a lot of varieties and I'm not quite sure what the difference is. I'm looking to purchase one within the next month or so and would like to get the most bang for my buck.
Yes seeing as I'm more of a pistol man in this will be my first AR of any sort I would like to get opinions on which AR-15 would be best to personalize and also I would like to know which one is worth the money.

It is so sad because what has totally gotten lost in this discussion as usual is the OP. The question has no answer because no one answering knows what the OP intends to do with the AR15 he or she is looking to buy. There has been no follow up and no clarification so in the end what is the point of answering the original question. I would ask the OP to join the conversation they started because more information is needed. The very basic starting point for me to even attempt to answer the OP's question would be the following.

1. What is the intended use for the AR15? Is it a range toy? Home defense gun? Gun games like 3 gun? Car/trunk gun? Just another gun that will sit in the safe?

2. What distance do you anticipate shooting this rifle at? 50 yards, 100 yards 250 yards and what type of groups are you expecting desiring to shoot?

3. Is this going to be your one and only AR15 or do you anticipate it being the first of many?

4. Since you are a pistol guy more than a rifle guy how many rounds do you anticipate shooting out of this rifle a year?

5. Do you want a gun with a A2 gas block front sight like this:

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or do you want a folding front sight like this?

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6. Do you plan on shooting heavy bullets like 75gr or 77gr Sierra matchking, Hornady superperformance match etc...?

7. What type of optics if any are you looking to put on this rifle? Red Dot, Reflex, Variable power etc...

8. Finally what do you want your rifle to look like. Do you want it to look like this::

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or this:

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Because lets face it the look of the rifle is a huge feature that way too many people overlook when the make their first AR15 purchase.

If you can narrow down and define how you are going to use your rifle than you can start to narrow down which one will work best because in the end "use should dictate gear".

In the end without this information all the answers given are worthless because they simply amount to talking about a particulars members personal subjective preferences. They are simply telling you what they bought which may or may not have any bearing on what is best for you. For example I am not a tiny group and 250 yards kind of guy. I am a minute of man kind of guy at 50 to 100 yards. Sometimes a little longer so all of my rifles and my gear are setup to let me hit man sized targets at reasonable speed with reasonable accuracy. My use dictates my gear. My gear won't suit a guy looking to shoot tiny groups at 300 yards. They are better served with different gear it does not make my gear bad or their gear better it just means there are different tools for different jobs.

I recommend the OP or anyone else looking to buy their first AR15 to find a friend who has a few or go to the local range a rent a few. The immediate feedback you will get from holding and shooting an AR15 will be much more valuable than a bunch of subjective posts on an Internet forum.
 
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Buy the rifle you REALLY want.
Well that's the rub isn't it? How does a new shooter know what they want until they get something and shoot it?

I bought my first AR because it was cheap (for the time) and I just wanted to get-in-the-game, as it were. No one would pay what I paid for that rifle now. Even so, that rifle looks nothing like it did. I'm pretty sure I've replaced everything. One piece here, another there, a new (used) upper, etc. and all because I didn't know what I wanted/needed until I tried it.

I've used iron sights, red dots, variable magnification optics, fixed magnification optics, offset sights, drop in forearms, free float forearms, GI triggers, modified GI triggers, cartridge type triggers, fixed butt stocks, collapsing butt stocks, plastic grips, rubber grips, 16"-20" barrels, 1:7, 1:8 and 1:9 twist rates, muzzle brakes, no muzzle brakes, Carbine, mid and rifle gas systems,...the list is endless. I choose not to tally the cost of all that. Of course I've sold off parts too.

The don't call these "Barbie dolls for men" for no reason. Just when you think you've got the perfect configuration, there's some new gadget or methodology or whatever.

The only advice that is consistently good is to just buy the gun you can afford and that makes you smile. Then go shoot it. You'll change stuff, everyone does. The closer you get to what you want in the first place, the less you'll change, but how will you know until you try?

As I said earlier, think hard on what you think you'll use the gun for. We can help with the model that will best fit that need. Then just go shoot. You'll change something, I guarantee it.
 
I know there are manufacturers that make the same quality... but the key phrase was "better quality" for the same money. I'll stand by my assertion that it would be difficult to build a BETTER gun than the Sport for the $500 or less that the Sport is available for. Not saying it can't be done, but it wouldn't be easy. You would have to shop for deals through multiple dealers. You couldn't just place an order for all the parts on one day through one or two shops... That takes time, and my time is worth something.

I can tell you that building an AR the way I want is way more expensive than a Sport. A good free float, M-LOK rail is going to cost over $100! :eek:

As for the VTAC II, it's a nice rifle, but unless you find a heckuva deal, it's overpriced. You can buy or build same quality for way less money... dare I even say "Better"! :D

You said $500, so, there you go. :D
 

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