Hello everyone...did i get screwed?

[bri3686]

SW9F is a great gun

One theing i learned is to use 115 grain it seems to like it a whole lot bet and much smoother action when fired. I tried what i remember as 148 to 150 something like that and it would not complete ejection of the shell

 

[GRU_ 7_ mech]

I paid $250 for mine little over a month ago and just traded it in on a new SD9VE. The gun was great shooting, but I had a cracked sear and finally found one it was $50. For $80 and trade of the SW i get a new gun with a lifetime warranty and a much better trigger system (much nicer now with the Apex trigger). Not being original owner hurts for the S&W repair work, they are not cheap. Sometimes they will give used gun owners a break, sometimes not. Most parts are restricted so can not just order them and install them yourself...regardless of what you may hear from people. Did you get taken?????....depends on the gun. If it is a shooter and no problems...just enjoy it till it breaks then make a decision to repair or replace.

 

[McE]

Poor guy, people who act on impulse should never have to face consequences.

 

[Big Shrek]

Yeah, I would raise hell, but it was a private seller...i don't even have a phone number...if I see him at the next gun show we're gonna have words

Private seller, Caveat Emptor..."Let the buyer beware"...

This is also why I've started loving my Smartphone,
I can check a few things before making a purchase...

 

[Muss Muggins]

The SW9F and SW40F were they first model polymer framed pistols that S&W produced... they were too close to Glocks and got S&W sued by Gaston Glock.

Pretty sure it was the SW99 that got Smith sued by Gaston. Still have a marketing poster hanging in the garage.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Hello everyone, I am new to the forum, as I recently purchased an S&W Sigma sw9f...

I recently made an impulse purchase at a gun show. I don't know much about S&W semi-autos, but I know M&Ps are considered great.

I had just gotten done looking at a Sigma sw9ve for $299. I walk down a ways and see an all black similar gun tagged as an M&P for $400. Looking at the slide i see a different model number, sw9f, so I didn't think any thing was off. I asked him about it and he said it was an earlier model M&P, again no reason to doubt him. Sooo, I end up paying $325 OTD with only one magazine. I get home and begin to research sw9f and realize he lied to my face.

It appears that the Sigma is not too bad, beyond a tough trigger, but I shoot my wheelguns DA so I don't care. My question is this...

DID I GET SCREWED TOO BAD MONEY-WISE??? Will the Sigma be reliable? Can I get mags for less than $30 anywhere? Is the 9f much different from the 9ve, better/worse?

I just feel bamboozled, I guess next time I'll take time to research and not trust people so much...

Thank you all for your responses.

As a general rule, impulse buys are bad for me. Unless it's a grail gun, I don't do it. I don't know if you got "hurt" or not. If you hate it and have to take a loss on the resale, then yes. If you like it, probably not.

 

[Krell1]

My opinion? You can confront him but do so politely. I don't think you'll get anywhere except to ease your mind about the situation. As others have said, take this as a lesson, keep the gun and shoot the heck out of it. I've made mistakes in the past that I regret, mostly selling guns I should have kept. I got over it though and just bought more to make up for it.

One suggestion though. If you really want the other gun, buy it and keep both. Nothing wrong with having a few more in your safe!

 

[shawn mccarver]

My two cents: (1) the price was high, perhaps, but it isn't going to eat anything; (2) a good case could be made that the original SIGMA SW9F was better than subsequent models as the interior was changed after the suit by Glock to make it less like the Glock in its mechanism. Nothing wrong with being more like a Glock.

By the way, the M&P uses the same or similar trigger return spring with the little tampon insert. S&W tells its LE agency customers to change that spring when magazine springs are changed. Not a bad idea, but I have never had one vibrate itself in two. On the other hand, the problem was discovered so early that I thought everyone knew from one of the original articles about the then-new SIGMA not to get that little tampon wet with anything. So, don't put lube, water, solvent or anything else on that spring.

By the way, the appearance of the SIGMA is not the primary reason Glock sued. The suit included alleged patent infringement over, perhaps other things, but at least the "positive guide means," I believe it was called on Glock's patent application. Whatever the correct term, it was part of the Glock that supported the cruciform sear, thereby preventing the sear from dropping out from engagement with the lug on the firing pin as a result of inertia or other forces, should the pistol be dropped on on its bottom, i.e. the trigger guard area.

The Glock is advertised with 3 safety devices: (1) trigger safety (prevents inertia discharge if pistol dropped on its REAR end); (2) firing pin safety (prevents inertia discharge if the pistol is dropped on its FRONT end or muzzle; and, (3) drop safety, which prevents the cruciform sear from "dropping out" of engagement with the lug on the firing pin. The "positive guide means" is not a part, as in replacement part, but a feature molded into the frame which supports the lateral arm of the cruciform sear to prevent the sear from dropping out of engagement with the lug on the firing pin.

I prefer my SIGMA to have a part such as this, as opposed to it not having such a part.

Personally, I think you should keep it and enjoy it.

 

[rwsmith]

The mainest thing.....

The mainest thing is that you are enjoying shooting it.

 

[Gunhacker]

Pretty sure it was the SW99 that got Smith sued by Gaston. Still have a marketing poster hanging in the garage.

The SW99 was a collaboration between Walther and S&W, it was S&Ws' version of the Walther P99. S&W made the upper and Walther supplied the lowers.

Doubt very much that Glock would have anything to sue over regarding patent infringements being the gun was based on a patented Walther design.

Plus the Glock suit regarding the Sigma, and the out of court settlement in 1997 where S&W paid an undisclosed amount and agreed to alter the Sigma design, is well documented in various venues.

 

[martybee]

My question is this...

DID I GET SCREWED TOO BAD MONEY-WISE??? Will the Sigma be reliable? Can I get mags for less than $30 anywhere? Is the 9f much different from the 9ve, better/worse?

I just feel bamboozled, I guess next time I'll take time to research and not trust people so much...

Thank you all for your responses.

You bamboozled yourself. Get over it and move on. Impulse buying can be very expensive. Next time research the item before you buy it! Just chalk it up to a lesson learned.

mb

 

[THE PILGRIM]

You are not ready to buy guns!
You need to do a lot of looking, reading, research and ask questions - before you buy.
Information and knowledge are the buyers weapons.

 

[S&W Rover]

I'll echo what others said. It was not a great deal, but you are not the first person to hear a yarn from someone selling a gun -- and sometimes its the 'professionals' in gun stores that tell the stories! You did not pay that much, and you did get a functioning pistol that has value and utility. You can shoot the heck out of it, and do some more research before you buy your next gun. And you can sell this gun for a fair price when you want to move on, so your total loss won't be very much.

Your next gun? A M&P9 or a SD9VE? Both are excellent. The differences and relative merits of each are discussed at length in this forum.

The SD9VE is no longer called a "Sigma," but is in fact a much improved variant of the early Sigmas. By the way, most people don't consider the M&P to be "derived from" the Sigma, although you see that assertion often. The takedown system, sear set up, rail, sights, etc., are sufficiently different to justify calling it a different gun. But almost all polymer striker fired pistols owe a lot to the Glock design, which the Sigma copied very closely (some parts are interchangeable between contemporaneous Glocks and Sigmas).

The gun you just bought is a great starting point for the decision on what to buy next. I'd consider it a loss of a small amount of money and the gain of some very useful experience.

 

[Geno44]

I'm with S&W Rover. My late brother carried one of these in Federal Law Enforcement and liked it. I think his agency allowed three duty guns and he used this for one of his three. If you paid too much, you didn't overpay by much and probably didn't at all. It's a good lesson and not a costly one. Good luck on the next purchase which you will no doubt study a bit more. Sometimes a seller is telling the truth as he believes it to be. What he said may not be accurate but he may have thought it was.