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Hi All first post on reloads.

Went to the range yesterday and had a hard time finding 44 mag or spcl. Cheaper than dirt said it was a rare round right now and hadn't seen any in quite a while (I did find somme 190 grain loads at Walmart of all places about $11 cheaper than the range). Since this is getting tough to find the thought of reloads came up.

So what type of investment am I looking at? What do I truly have to acquire (I have nothing!). What is the general process to do this? How many steps to reload a round? Is it possible to make special loads with magnum brass? Is this less expensive than factory ammo or done for the love of it? Can I ever use this ammo at a range?

Apologies is these are stupid questions. I literally know nothing of this process.
 
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1.you can do this with $50 worth of tools,but it's very slow that way.$2-$300 is more realistic.
2.Deprime/resize the brass,Bell the case mouth,Install a new primer,Add powder charge,seat and crimp bullet.
3. 5
4.yes
5.yes to both.
6.Depends on the range,some allow it and some don't.
 
Before you spend a dime on anything else, buy a good reloading manual and read it. It'll have all the information you need and more, not only loads for dozens of cartridges but "why's" and "how-to's" on every aspect of reloading.
 
Go here to RCBS website. Click guide to reloading and also resources for videos. It will give you an idea of what is involved. It is mostly rifle but the basics are the same.

RCBS - Precisioneered Shooting Products - Step-By-Step Reloading

There is just so many types of equipments it is hard to see we can go on and on. Do a search there are many threads on this.

First thing is What is your budget and how much ammo and what kind to you need?? If it is one caliber (44) then that's easy. If you need many calibers and 500 a week then that's a different story:)

Calibers like 44 Mag and 45 Colt are great reasons to reload, those factory rounds are expensive!!
 
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Being a beginner myself I have found that not only manuals are helpful but YouTube is very good too. I have watched many videos on YouTube and they really help to clear up some things. I watch several different guys because they each describe the process slightly different or use different ways to explain the same thing. This helps me very much.

As to cost, well that depends. I bought out a young guy's equipment because he moved to a smaller place and had no space. I got a single stage press, dies, powder, a little brass, a some other miscellaneous stuff for under $200. Since then I have spent waaaaaaaaay more in buying brass, projectiles, powder, primers, more brass, manuals, tumbler media, more brass, projectiles (diff caliber), and so on. It gets addictive and you start thinking about the other calibers you'd like to load and then more money....

Good luck and enjoy the hobby.
 
Yes, the equipment you need will largely depend on the number of calibers you desire to reload and the quantity needed.

I reload three different handgun calibers and three different rifle calibers currently, all done on a single-stage press. Slow but highly effective for multiple calibers.

My estimate for start-up equipment, by the time you add in all the accessories, would run closer to $400-500. Of course you can go higher or lower in a heartbeat, but that's a good starting idea.

For me, reloading is a hobby unto itself, and it's fun to work up a load specifically for your firearms that is much more accurate than rectory loads.

Your first investment, as others have said, is a reloading manual with all the how-tos and what-ifs. That will tell you if reloading is something you want to take on. It's not rocket science by any definition, but it does take attention to detail and zero distractions.

Saving money? That's the moot question of the century. Yes, a box of ammo is cheaper once you've made enough to recoup your initial investment (a box of 9mm or .45 auto runs me about $9-10 a box) but those saving typically end up spent on more bullets, powder, and primers. So don't expect to make you kid's college fund increase with the savings.
 
As already mentioned, there are so many options in reloading equipment. Also, reading reloading manuals/books on the subject and watching videos from the various websites and youtube can help also. I would caution about some of the youtube videos-some that are out there, well, honestly, scare me. I've watched several videos that could be more confusing to someone just wanting/getting started in reloading; so just be mindful and compare what you read from the manuals to what you see in some videos. The manufacturers videos should be more helpful.

Reloading if fun, enjoyable and rewarding; and in 44 Spec/Mag, should save you some money too. Good luck and be safe :-)
 
Be aware, once you start reloading you'll have a period of at least 2 or 3 YEARS where you will have some doodad on your want list to make it easier or faster. The end result is that 300-400 dollars can get you a good basic setup but once you get really involved and start adding calibers you'll find your total outlay to be well north of a Grand. Now the positive to all this money spent is that you won't ever have to wait for a shipment to arrive at Walmart, you'll just assemble your ammo as you need it.

Basics. A good place to start is with a Single Stage Press. While it's not particularly fast it is a very safe way to reload, presses are fairly low in cost, and you'll get a good grounding in the basics of each operation. BTW, I shoot between 700-1500 rounds per month and have no problems keeping up with my usage using a single stage press.

Brands. IMO the best buy for the money for equipment is RCBS. I'll also point out that I've reached this conclusion after trying less costly products from Lee and Hornady. My Press is an RCBS Rockcrusher Supreme (119.00 on sale, 145-160 not on sale). Powder Measure is an RCBS Competition Rifle/Handgun set (about 170 bucks - ouch) and was chosen after having had enough with the Leaky Lee powder measures. For ease of use, ease of setup, and repeatability of throws and setups that expensive RCBS is worth every penny. Scale is the RCBS 502 (70 bucks on sale - 80 bucks the rest of the time) and like most scales it has it's hidden pitfalls but used properly it's accurate and the zero doesn't change as long as you don't knock off you bench. BTW, the hidden pitfall is that the heavy poise sometimes doesn't fully center itself in the chosen notch, so tap it in lightly with a wood pencil or powder dipper to vibrate it in. Also have a Frankfort Arsenal Digital Scale (30 bucks) and it is accurate when first switched on but the zero drifts after a couple of minutes, so it's used to confirm my beam scale is set correctly.

Case cleaning. This is something that really doesn't need to be done. Vibrating tumblers sort of work OK if you aren't real picky but deep revolver cases will not come out perfectly clean no matter how long you run them. If you go really cheap you can get a Harbor Freight tumbler for about 65 bucks and wear it out cleaning about 8000-10000 cases. If you feel like spending more Lyman makes a tumbler with a reputation for lasting for many years of use. Ultrasonic cleaners tend to rely on a cleaning solution that is a bit acidic and that will leach the zinc out of your brass so that will shorten the life of your brass. If you want brass that looks sparkling new the only answer I've found is the Thumlers Tumbler with stainless steel pins, a 250 dollar investment that will likely last for 30 or 40 years.

Brass. Best brass for the money is Starline and if you order direct it's a real bargain. However there is a "trick" to ordering any of the more popular calibers. If you go on the Starline web site you will find that a lot of calibers are listed as Not in Stock - No Backorders. At some point you'll see that Backorder status change from No Backorders to Backorders Accepted. When you see that happen you don't think about it or wait to make up your mind, you place a backorder for the brass you want. Within a month you'll see a notice that your brass has been shipped and you'll find the charges have been submitted to your credit card. What happens with Starline is that when they schedule a production ron for a specific caliber they will open up the Backorder list until the total volume for that run has been pre-sold. On rare occasions when the backorders don't fill out the scheduled run any extra brass will then go into inventory and be listed as Available. However, that doesn't happen often and its only with the less popular calibers so if you want new brass wait for the Backorder list to open. BTW, Starline ONLY charges you when your order has shipped, so they don't charge ahead of time and use your money for some short term investing.

Primers. Primers have finally become widely available, however the cost per thousand has increased by 5-10 dollars at most vendors. I personally wait until they go on sale at one of the local vendors and purchase a box of 5000. If you can't wait for a sale plan on spending about 39.95 per 1000 because that is the most typical price I've been seeing.

Powder. That is currently a problem with Handgun suitable powders because they just don't seem to being produced in any volume. Some good news is that the 44 Magnum can use H110 can be located with some looking. For your 44 Special loads it's going to be a lot more difficult to locate a suitable powder. BTW, IMR SR7625 is a real favorite of mine for semi auto loads in 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP but I can only recommend strongly AGAINST it's use in any revolver load. I tried it once in 38 special and found it so position sensitive that there was a 300 fps difference in velocity depending on whether the barrel was pointing up or down prior to a shot being fired. Powders suitable for a 44 special using a jacketed or plated bullet are likely Accurate #5 or #7, Unique, Vihtavouri N330 or N340. For soft shooting Cowboy loads featuring lead bullets I expect that Trail Boss will prove a great choice.

Bullets. I like plated bullets as does the indoor range I shoot at most often. Note, you'll find a lot of indoor ranges are now banning any load featuring lead bullets because the smoke produced by the lube tends to clog up their very expensive HEPA filters too quickly. As for brands, I've found that Berry's, Rainier, RMR, HSM, and Extreme all make excellent bullets with plating suitable for velocities up to 1200 fps. Some of these brands also offer Heavy Plate bullets in selected weights and types and a slightly higher cost that are rated for velocities up to 1500 fps. Recently Extreme has had the best prices so that is where most of my bullets come from but they don't offer an Heavy Plate bullets in the 38 caliber at this point so my 357 Magnum bullets are Hornady XTP's.

PS; It has been about a full 18 month process of going to every local gun show and treking to a couple of shops in Ohio but after this mornings trip I am finally in the position of not needing to purchase any primers or powders for at least 3 years. Hopefully by then this component drought will have ended and I won't have to go through all the effort this past year has required. Point is, even as hard as it is right now to find handgun powders it can be done if you put in the effort.
 
No matter WHAT.....

No matter what your setup is, you are going to need a reliable scale, or you'll never really know how much powder you throw. Even Lee dippers with the chart throw less than what the chart says for a safety buffer. Balance scales are relatively inexpensive. To get a good digital scale they usually start around $100 and go up. Cheap digitals quit working, can't hold zero and give different readings for the same throw. It's advisable to have a set of 'check weights' to make sure your scale is reading right.

Other things, loading block (I use two) If you are loading semi auto a caliper is essential.

You will need some way to throw the powder with Lee Dippers ($15) on one end of the scale and an automatic weigh/load scale on the other end.

Don't forget to get a shell holder in addition to your dies.

Powder funnels can come in handy.

Some people (like me) don't like to reprime on the loading press. A hand primer tool like the Lee Auto Prime is about 30 bucks.

If you load bottleneck cartridges some additional items will be needed.
 
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You know nothing about the 44 magnum until you load for it.
The good news is that you stand to discover what the word versatile means.
44 is one of the finest calibers ever developed.
The bad news is that you also stand to join the rest of us in the hunt for powder.
2400, aa9, h110, unique, , universal,296, ...
find some of this list, then worry about press, dies, scales, and powder measures
 
Lots of good advise, here. But, shoot... if ya think finding ammo for .44 is getting hard... try finding powder for reloading that .44. Or any other handgun cartridge, for that matter.
 
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the advice and details. I must say that since joining this forum, my opinion of social media has improved. On this site any way I find a lot of well meaning, helpful people. I dont even own facebook, twitter or any other social media accounts because of the idiocy that spews forth. Call me old school i guess, thanks everyone

Smitty
 
Don't go to Cheaper than dirt for advice. They'll tell you it's rare and hard to get and hand you a box for $200. Do some reading about Cheaper than dirt before you do business with them

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IMO, the 44mag is a great reason to reload. I shoot full bore 44mag for about 12c a rd using cast bullets. If I cast my own, 6-7c each. If you only shoot 100rds a month, easily done on a ss press kit, less than $300. Don't be afraid to use lead bullets in the 44mag. None of my 44mags ever see a jacketed bullet. Nothing a good cast bullet can't do as well as a jacketed in the big bores.
 
How true......but....

Be aware, once you start reloading you'll have a period of at least 2 or 3 YEARS where you will have some doodad on your want list to make it easier or faster. The end result is that 300-400 dollars can get you a good basic setup but once you get really involved and start adding calibers you'll find your total outlay to be well north of a Grand. Now the positive to all this money spent is that you won't ever have to wait for a shipment to arrive at Walmart, you'll just assemble your ammo as you need it.

True, I'm still buying stuff. But it beats the price of ammo off the shelf any time. I couldn't shoot much if I didn't reload.
 
There are well meaning, helpful people...

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the advice and details. I must say that since joining this forum, my opinion of social media has improved. On this site any way I find a lot of well meaning, helpful people. I dont even own facebook, twitter or any other social media accounts because of the idiocy that spews forth. Call me old school i guess, thanks everyone

Smitty

There are well meaning, helpful people here, but I've never seen a site that had so much real, solid advice from people with actual experience who really know guns and reloading.:)
 
I've been scraping around....

Lots of good advise, here. But, shoot... if ya think finding ammo for .44 is getting hard... try finding powder for reloading that .44. Or any other handgun cartridge, for that matter.

I've been scraping around for 18 months and I have found some powdesr that are suitable, even if not what I want, to hold me until supplies get better. Lately I've even found some powder that was exactly what I wanted. You just have to look all around.
 
I've been scraping around for 18 months and I have found some powdesr that are suitable, even if not what I want, to hold me until supplies get better. Lately I've even found some powder that was exactly what I wanted. You just have to look all around.

This is so so true. My favorite powder for higher energy 45 ACP loads and light bullet 357 Magnum loads is Accurate #5. If meters wonderfully and works very well in applications that it's suited to. However, after nearly a full year of not being able to find any AA #5 I was ready to give up and had even picked up some Hodgdon CFE Pistol at a Gun Show to serve as a substitute. Good news is that last Friday I followed a hunch and placed a call to the Fin down in Ohio and found out that they had just received a paltry eight 1 lbs. bottles of #5 and had 5 left. Gave them my name and they set 4 lbs. aside for me to pick up the next morning. Came home with those 4 bottles of #5 plus another 6 bottles of IMR SR7625 that I just love for mild range loads. Those 10 lbs. plus the beauty of small farm town Northern Ohio made the trip 100% worthwhile.
 
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