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First off, for Dave and anothers misdemeanor, yes that person can get a LTC, but the instructor believes she has to wait 5 years before applying-from date of the down grade.
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OK, unless I misheard something? here goes it on what you have to do/learn, to get you LTC. Some of this stuff is--at least on the test I took, so not sure if others around the State will have diff questions. I had no time for writing down any questions-and most answers are common sense.
First here-to pass the written, you have to get a 72. I missed one out of 25 questions and only because I accidentally circled B instead of C on question Nr. 2. The shooting. Perfect is 250, I scored a 253... Targets at 3,7 and 10 yards 20,20 and 10 rounds respectively.
You cant OC everywhere and not concealed means intentionally displaying the weapon. I think thats partially moot-EXCEPT if say, in a grocery store and you whip out the weapon to show it off-kinda thing. Dirty minds need to concentrate.
There are sometimes huge differences in words.
Premises == a building or partial building. It is NOT a parking lot, sidewalk.
A Long gun, is NOT a weapon by Texas definition-its a firearm only.
On knives. a blade is ONLY illegal if over 5 & 1/2 inches. There are no more knife orndances in Corpus and StaTE you CAN CARRY, SWITHBLADES, SPRING-LOADED, GRAVITY KNIVES ETC.
Conditions of gun in car w/o permit: It has to be concealed, person not a gang-banger/other criminal type, or going to comitt or coming from committing crimes. The instructors words-not mine. The instructor we had, has dome these classes since 1990? and is a Police Officer.
I dont have time to post many notes but will try to add all of them on Sunday--in this first post.
CONTINUED FROM YESTERDAY.
Where weapons not prohibited.
Cannot carry on Postal prroperty including parking lot. UNLESS YOU GET PERMISSION, you cannot carry at: Any Courtroom, Private or Public Schools, Hospitals, Churches or other places of wworship, Amusement PARKS, ---BUT A SIGN HAS TO BE POSTED. The same with any private business--and the notice can also be verbal. Cant carry when voting at voting locations-is going on-or any secure area in an airport. If a building has a 51% sign-like a bar and such-you cant carry. Cant carry in any ganbling establishment either.
07 sign menas-you can carry-but not openly. 06 sign menas-no guns period.
CANT HAVE AN A,B, or C, misdemeaner in the past 5 years. I think I was a bit misleading way above? Class C==$500 or below.
You cant carry-no matter where your drinking-or (rolling eyes) doing drugs-legal or illegal.
Use good judgement if you HAVE to shoot?
You cant intentionally display--such as showing off your piece to someone else at things like sporting events (in or outdoors)-parades.
You CANT get a LTC if permanently incapacitated mental faculties--I.e-insane or with duel personality--Schizoid (sinse I cant spell the full word properly)
Intoxication==taking drugs or alcohol.
You violated the law if you intentionally enter a place with your gun if you have seen any notice posted or were verbally told about it-and still enter. Property includes parking lot of a business who doesnt allow weapons to be caried. You CANNOT be armed in a company, company vehicle--unless company allows employee to carry. Cannot be armed if you work at a school that doesnt allow it, or vehicle--as well as at Private landowners, chemical plants refineries. SOME of the listed-do allow carry but just depends. The strictest school or system on carry-is of course--u.t-Austin.
Requirements to displat Licence:
If asked for I.D. by an authority figure like: City Mayor--Law Enforecment types, Judges, ou HAVE to show it.
CHL laws book is located on the DPS website. Handgun licensing section.
USE OF FORCE LAWS:
I wasnt able to write fast enough to get everything, but here are some things.
Deadly Force==bad guy badly wounded or dead.
Serious Bodily Injury--could cause death but doesnt.
Three things that cause legal justification if you have to pull a gun and or shoot the person of interest:
1) Does bad guy have the MEANS to cause you fear, harm and injury or death?
2) Is the creep INTENT on causing you loss of property? harm injury or death?
3) Does the creep have the OPPORTUNITY to cause you harm or injury or death?
If the answer is yes-your justiufied but to a point. That means, say of you are on the other side of a barrier-then the creep is? no-you cant pull gun out and shoot, but if no barrier between you two--yea-you can.
The person you use your gun against is teh person who is intent on doing you (and any family member) harm or your in fear for your (and their) life/ves.
It CAN also cover you when concerning a neighbor, or others nearby-but then, your possibly also sticking your head in a noose-so use the best judgement you can....................
Beware, IF you fire your gun? and hit a bystander--you are NOT covered. You are responsible for whatever the bullet hits-person or property-cept for the bad guy. You CAN also use your gun to prevent a kidnapping, robbery, assault, iminent danger, BUT still have to use your best judgement. You can use it to preventr theft of (I THINK only your property) if and on your property.
Theft is defined in (Texas) as: Depriving someone of their property--I.e.-if a bad guy, transient etc come up and says they want your wallet etc-you can in the least-have your gun trained on them.
In Texas-Robbery is defined as: Someone threatenting (Intent) on robbing you.
In the bg tries or does rob anyone 65 and over.
Assault==Touching someone or someone touching you.
NOT JUSTIFIED FORCE:
You CANT use force if someone gives you the middle finger or says you lick clean muddy boots.
Assault can be a felony--which is why you better use your best judgement in any situation.
Your LTC IS GOOD AND EXPIRES ON THE EXACT DAY OF YOUR BIRTHDAY 4 YEARS AFTER ISSUE. That means ir your birthday is July 20 (or) Robert E. Lee's birthday, that on THAT date-your license is expired--not on Jan 31st.
DPS site: www.dps.texas.org
STAND YOUR GROUND: Three conditions:
1) IF ITS LEGAL TO CARRY WHERE YOUR AT?
2) You CANT provoke an incident.
3) If you commit a crime.
Habitation as defined by Texas as--WHERE YOU SLEEP. Be it, in a car, your place of residence, tool shed-your vehicle or business of employment.
Deadly force is justified without the requirement of retreat.
DEFENCE OF OTHERS:
Your obligated to protect your family.
DEADLY FORCE IS NOT JUSTIFIED if someone is tresspassing or refuses to leave. I guess they expect you to call for a LEO to solve that situation? but im guessing you CAN at least hold them at gun point?? The instructor sometimes went faster than I could scribble chickenscratch.
If someone is trying or does steal from you? -the property HAS TO BE RECOVERABLE-such as livesock, not cars, guns etc.
DEADLY FORCE IS JUSTIFIED AND CAN ALSO BE USED IN:
Preventing the escape ON YOUR PROPERTY of thief.
BURGLARY, ROBBERY, or CRIMINAL MISCHIEF (like) someone toilet-papering your home--the owner can shoot you--but HAS TO BE AT NIGHT. Daylight means you have better vision of thinks and you cant shoot a teen for wrapping your home in toilet-paper.
You can also use DEADLY FORCE to: prevent someone from looting your home or business.
It's burglary when a part of someone crosses into or onto YOUR property-such as breaking a window of any of your structures-and entering it-hand or baseball bat-reaching or getting into your home, car etc.
USE WHATEVER FORCE IS NECESSARY TO STOP THE INCIDENT. If you shoot a person and he stops or surrenders? you cant keep pumping lead into him.
You shoot a person who threatened you and are justified? You can still have gun in hand. THE PERSON WHO CALLS 911 FIRST-IS THE VICTIM..........................
What to sat to 911 if a person is hust: NEED AN AMBULANCE-someone is hurt. The less info-the better since your recorded and it can and will be used against you. Reason for little info-=you may remember of forget details of what happened and it will look like your changing your story of what happened. Makes sense to me.
Police arrive-point to attacker and say I WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT ON HIM. theen point out any witnesses-and the attackers weapons if any?
Interview is over when you say: I want to talk to my lawyer.
More on use of deadly force:
Do NOT be at fault, you HAVE to be in immedient danger of bodily injury or death. You CANT accidentally harm an innocent bystander.
Some rules to go by:
1) DONT point your gun at anything you dont want to destroy.
2) Always keep finger off trigger until ready to shoot. Like the instructor we had, I keep mine outside the trigger guard.
3) KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHATS BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Treat all guns as if loaded.
Its been mentioned here but itll be mentioned again on approx how many rounds must be fired when breaking in a new gun. 500 minimum. Like many here-the instructor loves 1911s and detests glocks. He stated some reasons for his hatred of glocks and ill not repeat.
OPEN CARRY:
Gun HAS to be in a belt or shoulder holster. It CANNOT be carried in an ankle holster-fanny packs were not mentioned and I didnt think to ask. The holster has to be secure.
SITUATIONAL AWARENESS is a must-and has been gone over in many threads here. But-PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS. If in an a place with loads of folks--pay the most attention to around a 30 foot radius.
This instructor liked to use a 3 color set of conditions-like a traffic light.
RED = threat to deal with.
YELLOW = Aware and prepare.
GREEN = You are not prepared-as with most folks.
A few things to know if a possible threat:
Listen-and eye contact as well as say-fisting and making threatening motions with hands.
The instructor mentioned an author and a great book to read-on reading peoples body language. Games People Play by: Eric Burn. Name might not be spelled correctly....
Three types of mindset:
Parent.
Adult.
Child.
Parent is the authority figure--teacher etc. Meaning on how to treat people. You dont want to treat an adult as a child kinda thing. That'd probably tick anyone off.
Aduklt=reason, logic, is Polite and Courteous.
Child==Quick to anger, reactive, compliant (as the case may be"?).
In a conflict situation-be the adult. Dont TELL them what to do-SUGGEST some kind of problem solving.
HIDING A GUN IS NOT SECURING IT. A secure gun (but and useless if immediately needed?) is one with a trigger lock, in a safe etc.
Stressed education about the firearm-which I think us here do.
READILY DISCHARGEABLE: == Loaded gun-doesnt say that a round has to be in chamber. But then we knew that already.
A child is defined by Texas-countrywide-as under the age of 17, as an adult at 17++ Child can have a readily dischargable weapon as long as with someone 18 and older.
The fee to State is $140, but some like vets, LEOs etc-have certain kinds of discounts. For me, I think my state fee is $25, SOME vets will still have to pay a similar fee-but I forget why?
Anyway, I know some stuff is out of continuity-but I wrote info as it was presented. Some of the fault for this, is because some in the class were constantly making him go from one subject to another due to not "listening" etc.
The instructor mentioned NOT to take advice from forums-which I partly agree. His reasoning is someone may say they are a LEO, etc. But I think most of us here knows most por all are legit. I did mention this site for others to try a look see-and see if its for them or not?
--------------------------------------------
OK, unless I misheard something? here goes it on what you have to do/learn, to get you LTC. Some of this stuff is--at least on the test I took, so not sure if others around the State will have diff questions. I had no time for writing down any questions-and most answers are common sense.
First here-to pass the written, you have to get a 72. I missed one out of 25 questions and only because I accidentally circled B instead of C on question Nr. 2. The shooting. Perfect is 250, I scored a 253... Targets at 3,7 and 10 yards 20,20 and 10 rounds respectively.
You cant OC everywhere and not concealed means intentionally displaying the weapon. I think thats partially moot-EXCEPT if say, in a grocery store and you whip out the weapon to show it off-kinda thing. Dirty minds need to concentrate.
There are sometimes huge differences in words.
Premises == a building or partial building. It is NOT a parking lot, sidewalk.
A Long gun, is NOT a weapon by Texas definition-its a firearm only.
On knives. a blade is ONLY illegal if over 5 & 1/2 inches. There are no more knife orndances in Corpus and StaTE you CAN CARRY, SWITHBLADES, SPRING-LOADED, GRAVITY KNIVES ETC.
Conditions of gun in car w/o permit: It has to be concealed, person not a gang-banger/other criminal type, or going to comitt or coming from committing crimes. The instructors words-not mine. The instructor we had, has dome these classes since 1990? and is a Police Officer.
I dont have time to post many notes but will try to add all of them on Sunday--in this first post.
CONTINUED FROM YESTERDAY.
Where weapons not prohibited.
Cannot carry on Postal prroperty including parking lot. UNLESS YOU GET PERMISSION, you cannot carry at: Any Courtroom, Private or Public Schools, Hospitals, Churches or other places of wworship, Amusement PARKS, ---BUT A SIGN HAS TO BE POSTED. The same with any private business--and the notice can also be verbal. Cant carry when voting at voting locations-is going on-or any secure area in an airport. If a building has a 51% sign-like a bar and such-you cant carry. Cant carry in any ganbling establishment either.
07 sign menas-you can carry-but not openly. 06 sign menas-no guns period.
CANT HAVE AN A,B, or C, misdemeaner in the past 5 years. I think I was a bit misleading way above? Class C==$500 or below.
You cant carry-no matter where your drinking-or (rolling eyes) doing drugs-legal or illegal.
Use good judgement if you HAVE to shoot?
You cant intentionally display--such as showing off your piece to someone else at things like sporting events (in or outdoors)-parades.
You CANT get a LTC if permanently incapacitated mental faculties--I.e-insane or with duel personality--Schizoid (sinse I cant spell the full word properly)
Intoxication==taking drugs or alcohol.
You violated the law if you intentionally enter a place with your gun if you have seen any notice posted or were verbally told about it-and still enter. Property includes parking lot of a business who doesnt allow weapons to be caried. You CANNOT be armed in a company, company vehicle--unless company allows employee to carry. Cannot be armed if you work at a school that doesnt allow it, or vehicle--as well as at Private landowners, chemical plants refineries. SOME of the listed-do allow carry but just depends. The strictest school or system on carry-is of course--u.t-Austin.
Requirements to displat Licence:
If asked for I.D. by an authority figure like: City Mayor--Law Enforecment types, Judges, ou HAVE to show it.
CHL laws book is located on the DPS website. Handgun licensing section.
USE OF FORCE LAWS:
I wasnt able to write fast enough to get everything, but here are some things.
Deadly Force==bad guy badly wounded or dead.
Serious Bodily Injury--could cause death but doesnt.
Three things that cause legal justification if you have to pull a gun and or shoot the person of interest:
1) Does bad guy have the MEANS to cause you fear, harm and injury or death?
2) Is the creep INTENT on causing you loss of property? harm injury or death?
3) Does the creep have the OPPORTUNITY to cause you harm or injury or death?
If the answer is yes-your justiufied but to a point. That means, say of you are on the other side of a barrier-then the creep is? no-you cant pull gun out and shoot, but if no barrier between you two--yea-you can.
The person you use your gun against is teh person who is intent on doing you (and any family member) harm or your in fear for your (and their) life/ves.
It CAN also cover you when concerning a neighbor, or others nearby-but then, your possibly also sticking your head in a noose-so use the best judgement you can....................
Beware, IF you fire your gun? and hit a bystander--you are NOT covered. You are responsible for whatever the bullet hits-person or property-cept for the bad guy. You CAN also use your gun to prevent a kidnapping, robbery, assault, iminent danger, BUT still have to use your best judgement. You can use it to preventr theft of (I THINK only your property) if and on your property.
Theft is defined in (Texas) as: Depriving someone of their property--I.e.-if a bad guy, transient etc come up and says they want your wallet etc-you can in the least-have your gun trained on them.
In Texas-Robbery is defined as: Someone threatenting (Intent) on robbing you.
In the bg tries or does rob anyone 65 and over.
Assault==Touching someone or someone touching you.
NOT JUSTIFIED FORCE:
You CANT use force if someone gives you the middle finger or says you lick clean muddy boots.
Assault can be a felony--which is why you better use your best judgement in any situation.
Your LTC IS GOOD AND EXPIRES ON THE EXACT DAY OF YOUR BIRTHDAY 4 YEARS AFTER ISSUE. That means ir your birthday is July 20 (or) Robert E. Lee's birthday, that on THAT date-your license is expired--not on Jan 31st.
DPS site: www.dps.texas.org
STAND YOUR GROUND: Three conditions:
1) IF ITS LEGAL TO CARRY WHERE YOUR AT?
2) You CANT provoke an incident.
3) If you commit a crime.
Habitation as defined by Texas as--WHERE YOU SLEEP. Be it, in a car, your place of residence, tool shed-your vehicle or business of employment.
Deadly force is justified without the requirement of retreat.
DEFENCE OF OTHERS:
Your obligated to protect your family.
DEADLY FORCE IS NOT JUSTIFIED if someone is tresspassing or refuses to leave. I guess they expect you to call for a LEO to solve that situation? but im guessing you CAN at least hold them at gun point?? The instructor sometimes went faster than I could scribble chickenscratch.
If someone is trying or does steal from you? -the property HAS TO BE RECOVERABLE-such as livesock, not cars, guns etc.
DEADLY FORCE IS JUSTIFIED AND CAN ALSO BE USED IN:
Preventing the escape ON YOUR PROPERTY of thief.
BURGLARY, ROBBERY, or CRIMINAL MISCHIEF (like) someone toilet-papering your home--the owner can shoot you--but HAS TO BE AT NIGHT. Daylight means you have better vision of thinks and you cant shoot a teen for wrapping your home in toilet-paper.
You can also use DEADLY FORCE to: prevent someone from looting your home or business.
It's burglary when a part of someone crosses into or onto YOUR property-such as breaking a window of any of your structures-and entering it-hand or baseball bat-reaching or getting into your home, car etc.
USE WHATEVER FORCE IS NECESSARY TO STOP THE INCIDENT. If you shoot a person and he stops or surrenders? you cant keep pumping lead into him.
You shoot a person who threatened you and are justified? You can still have gun in hand. THE PERSON WHO CALLS 911 FIRST-IS THE VICTIM..........................
What to sat to 911 if a person is hust: NEED AN AMBULANCE-someone is hurt. The less info-the better since your recorded and it can and will be used against you. Reason for little info-=you may remember of forget details of what happened and it will look like your changing your story of what happened. Makes sense to me.
Police arrive-point to attacker and say I WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT ON HIM. theen point out any witnesses-and the attackers weapons if any?
Interview is over when you say: I want to talk to my lawyer.
More on use of deadly force:
Do NOT be at fault, you HAVE to be in immedient danger of bodily injury or death. You CANT accidentally harm an innocent bystander.
Some rules to go by:
1) DONT point your gun at anything you dont want to destroy.
2) Always keep finger off trigger until ready to shoot. Like the instructor we had, I keep mine outside the trigger guard.
3) KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHATS BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Treat all guns as if loaded.
Its been mentioned here but itll be mentioned again on approx how many rounds must be fired when breaking in a new gun. 500 minimum. Like many here-the instructor loves 1911s and detests glocks. He stated some reasons for his hatred of glocks and ill not repeat.
OPEN CARRY:
Gun HAS to be in a belt or shoulder holster. It CANNOT be carried in an ankle holster-fanny packs were not mentioned and I didnt think to ask. The holster has to be secure.
SITUATIONAL AWARENESS is a must-and has been gone over in many threads here. But-PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS. If in an a place with loads of folks--pay the most attention to around a 30 foot radius.
This instructor liked to use a 3 color set of conditions-like a traffic light.
RED = threat to deal with.
YELLOW = Aware and prepare.
GREEN = You are not prepared-as with most folks.
A few things to know if a possible threat:
Listen-and eye contact as well as say-fisting and making threatening motions with hands.
The instructor mentioned an author and a great book to read-on reading peoples body language. Games People Play by: Eric Burn. Name might not be spelled correctly....
Three types of mindset:
Parent.
Adult.
Child.
Parent is the authority figure--teacher etc. Meaning on how to treat people. You dont want to treat an adult as a child kinda thing. That'd probably tick anyone off.
Aduklt=reason, logic, is Polite and Courteous.
Child==Quick to anger, reactive, compliant (as the case may be"?).
In a conflict situation-be the adult. Dont TELL them what to do-SUGGEST some kind of problem solving.
HIDING A GUN IS NOT SECURING IT. A secure gun (but and useless if immediately needed?) is one with a trigger lock, in a safe etc.
Stressed education about the firearm-which I think us here do.
READILY DISCHARGEABLE: == Loaded gun-doesnt say that a round has to be in chamber. But then we knew that already.
A child is defined by Texas-countrywide-as under the age of 17, as an adult at 17++ Child can have a readily dischargable weapon as long as with someone 18 and older.
The fee to State is $140, but some like vets, LEOs etc-have certain kinds of discounts. For me, I think my state fee is $25, SOME vets will still have to pay a similar fee-but I forget why?
Anyway, I know some stuff is out of continuity-but I wrote info as it was presented. Some of the fault for this, is because some in the class were constantly making him go from one subject to another due to not "listening" etc.
The instructor mentioned NOT to take advice from forums-which I partly agree. His reasoning is someone may say they are a LEO, etc. But I think most of us here knows most por all are legit. I did mention this site for others to try a look see-and see if its for them or not?
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