Hey Brother, can you help a trucker out?

truckemup97

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Well, OK, that title is kind of misleading. I just want to let you all know about some of the things that are going on that affect truck drivers. We are a small part of the population, so our votes don't count for much. Plus, when I've called other states concerning legislation and policies, I've been told, essentially, to shove off, as I don't vote in their state and they don't care about my opinion. They certainly want my tax money, though.

Right now, we are losing parking spaces all over the country. Several things are happening.

First is that truck stops are going out of business. OK, nothing you can do about that unless you want to go into the business. However, many times when someone wants to build a new truck stop, "NIMBY" rears it's ugly head. Environmental activists get zoning blocked. Local "parents" groups make uninformed, rash statements in the media about trucking, kidnapping, and pedophiles. (I'm not making that up, and it's happened more than once.) I certainly believe that zoning commissions need to look at environmental impact, infrastructure, and location before approving a new truck stop, but the simple fact is that new truck stops are needed badly.

Second, states are closing rest areas and truck parking areas due to budget constraints. I understand that money is tight, but where are we supposed to spend the night? DOT regs require that we get 10 uninterrupted hours off duty after 11 hours of driving or 14 hours total on duty. We have to stop somewhere. With the closing of rest areas, there are fewer and fewer places to park.

Third, some states have put limits on the amount of time on the amount of time trucks can spend in a rest area. Virginia has recently lowered their limits to two hours. The state police are enforcing this with tickets that carry a fine of $135 and three points on your license. After they give you the ticket and send you on your way, you then run the risk of being pulled over for Hours of Service (log book) violations. I've been told, but can't confirm, that they then call the weigh station down the road from the rest area and tell them to watch for certain trucks that will be in violation. Of course, it's all about safety. When a spokesperson for the state police was asked where drivers were supposed to take their 10 hour break, she replied that they could just get a hotel room like normal people. I don't know what normal is, but I don't have $60/night extra for a motel room every night. Even if I did, very few motels have parking for a truck, so we're back to no place to park the truck again.

Thanks for letting me vent a little, but I hope I have informed you also, so that when these subjects come up, you can let your legislators and state or local officials know how you feel.
 
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Well, OK, that title is kind of misleading. I just want to let you all know about some of the things that are going on that affect truck drivers. We are a small part of the population, so our votes don't count for much. Plus, when I've called other states concerning legislation and policies, I've been told, essentially, to shove off, as I don't vote in their state and they don't care about my opinion. They certainly want my tax money, though.

Right now, we are losing parking spaces all over the country. Several things are happening.

First is that truck stops are going out of business. OK, nothing you can do about that unless you want to go into the business. However, many times when someone wants to build a new truck stop, "NIMBY" rears it's ugly head. Environmental activists get zoning blocked. Local "parents" groups make uninformed, rash statements in the media about trucking, kidnapping, and pedophiles. (I'm not making that up, and it's happened more than once.) I certainly believe that zoning commissions need to look at environmental impact, infrastructure, and location before approving a new truck stop, but the simple fact is that new truck stops are needed badly.

Second, states are closing rest areas and truck parking areas due to budget constraints. I understand that money is tight, but where are we supposed to spend the night? DOT regs require that we get 10 uninterrupted hours off duty after 11 hours of driving or 14 hours total on duty. We have to stop somewhere. With the closing of rest areas, there are fewer and fewer places to park.

Third, some states have put limits on the amount of time on the amount of time trucks can spend in a rest area. Virginia has recently lowered their limits to two hours. The state police are enforcing this with tickets that carry a fine of $135 and three points on your license. After they give you the ticket and send you on your way, you then run the risk of being pulled over for Hours of Service (log book) violations. I've been told, but can't confirm, that they then call the weigh station down the road from the rest area and tell them to watch for certain trucks that will be in violation. Of course, it's all about safety. When a spokesperson for the state police was asked where drivers were supposed to take their 10 hour break, she replied that they could just get a hotel room like normal people. I don't know what normal is, but I don't have $60/night extra for a motel room every night. Even if I did, very few motels have parking for a truck, so we're back to no place to park the truck again.

Thanks for letting me vent a little, but I hope I have informed you also, so that when these subjects come up, you can let your legislators and state or local officials know how you feel.
 
I will be glad to vote in your favor if and when these type bills show up on a referendum, and will call the state reps if it shows up as a bill before our state legislature.

WG840
 
What has been your experience with Missouri? I'm no trucker, but when I drive across I44 it seems there are quite a few truck stops, and they are pretty nice. Plenty of parking, showers, often a diner. There seems to be a rest stop about every 80 or so miles, but I don't know how many restrictions they may have.

If MO is on your bad guys list, let me know by PM and I will write our worthless representatives a nasty note.
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Here in NY several counties are going to a "no idol" law where your vehicle cannot be running more than 10 minutes at a time. I know from experience that if you shut off a diesel tractor trailer in February and then try to turn it back on 8 hours later, that diesel fuel looks something like milk. But those idiots in their suits at those town halls and county offices don't understand that. We have only 3 rest areas within 50 miles, 2 take tractor trailers, (one has room for about 5 of them at a time) and the third one actually has a bath room. Beleive me, most people have no idea how hard truckers have it. My father has been struggling for years as an owner operator, watching as tolls, taxes, and fuels all go up. Its a tough life.
 
I was on my way to work one night and had a trucker ask me (I stopped for a bite to eat) where he could overnight. It so happened that I was across the street from DFW airport (I work at the airport). On the north end is a huge freight complex where trucks are parked all the time. I told him I didn't think anyone would notice one more. So if you're ever passing SH114 and the north airport freight exit, cross the bridge and take a right at Airfield Dr. You can't miss the freight area. The gas station at the exit has pumps for truckers in the back of the store. Texan Trail/Air freight exit.
 
I love the way that people that have never done the job think it is all that easy. The "Sleep" in a motel" is just a joke on any long haul over the road situation.

I used to deliver my bulls all over the country.
I didn't even have the time constraints most guys have as far as being a specific place at a specific time to drop off or pickup. Just me headed to Vermont or Arkansa or some other place to deliver a few bulls.

I did have to meet all DOT requirements as I was over 28,000 pounds. No big deal drive the beefed up, exstend cab Dodge 3500 with the flat bed and the 5th wheel and spend the nights/lay down time in hotels and eat in restraunts.

As mentioned finding a restraunt and or a hotel that will accept a truck, little alone one with critters in it was always a problem. Once you find the hotel, if you are driving you got time to get in unpack , pay, pack etc that's all coming off your dime and that doesn't even count the cost of the hotel.

My all time favorite was the night I spent in northern Conneticut. There were NO hotels, just INNS. The first would not take cash!!! I asked if it was becasue of the deposit and offered to leave $2000 at the desk till morning just in case I stole the TV or had a wild party. Nope, we don't take cash!!! By the way the room rate was $165 a night.

In the end I stayed at the Maple Tree Inn, $300 a night!!! Oh by the way would you park 4 blocks away, behind the grade school, and we have an agreement with the village that you will be gone by 7am.

Then there was the issue of "stops" because I was a day cab at every port they went through my log with a fine tooth comb and compared hotel reciepts and check out times to log times to....Yeah, just trying to find something.

Don't even talk to me about traveling across this country and trying to find a decent meal. Geez, even when I was willing to drive 20 miles off the freeway into a town it was hard to find something that was open or wasn't national chain grease.

In the end just to stay alive I ended up buying a FL70 with the biggest Condo Freightliner offered. This is a smallish single axle truck, set up as a Toter, after all I was only licensed at 32,000 pounds pulling a inclosed 32 foot stock trailer.

At least I had a place to sleep and cook meals etc. Then parking started being the issue and youd hit a rest stop in Kansas at lay down time and it would be full and backed out to and onmto the freeway shoulder.

I did it for one more year before it simply got to be zero fun.

Now?? Two guys pull out of here, Idaho and they drive non stop to and from where the bulls are going. I make darned sure they keep impecable logs and obey the rules. Thankfully it's just for me and my ranch and not our primary source of income.

Every once in a while a neighbor will con me into dropping off a horse or bull or picking something up for them. "Well your going through Coilorado anyway". They usually gulp when I quote a price. Then I educate them aon what's involved especially hauling live animals across multiple state lines and they just write the check.

After I got the FL the wife went on several trips. We took 3 bulls to Maine. Stayed a week, had a great time, and when we got home she swore she was NEVER going again.

Why haul bulls all over the US? Because you have a choice with your bull calves, castrate them and raise them for sale to a feed lot and make $1000 or let the kids on the ranch raise them and show them and win a few ribbons and them haul them some where and sell them as 3 year olds after testing for $8000-$12,000. Even after paying the kids handsomely, I'm up on the dollars side of things. If they don't show ell, win ribbons or test well, you can always then sell them by the pound.

Why do the hauling yourself? Becuase finding somebody commercially to haul 2 to 5 head is so close to impossible it might as well be. Especially the distance we haul where they need to be fed and watered and taken care of at least 2 times a day for up to 5 days.

Tough darned way to make a living and getting harder. You have my support and heart felt sympathy for what it's worth. Maybe this retirement stuff isn't all that bad.

Ross W Thomas
Great Basin Ranch
Owyhee County, ID
 
Thanks for the support, guys.

Missouri is better for parking than most, but the truck stops and rest areas tend to fill up by late evening, so if you loaded late and need to drive until 2 AM, it can be hard to find a parking place. Big cities, the east coast and the northeast seem to be the places I have the most problem.

Anti-idle laws are a problem in many states, not just NY. A few are generous enough to let us idle for heat below 20 degrees.
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California (of all places) has idle limits, however, if you have a pet in the truck, you can idle all you want. Great. Don't let the dog get cold or hot, but the driver is out of luck. I have a small gasoline generator behind the cab that will run a heater in the cab during winter, and I have an RV A/C unit I need to install for this summer, so unless my fuel gels, I'm good.

wheelgun1958, I've parked there, but had forgotten about it. Thanks!
 
Ross, I've been approached about hauling livestock. Yeah, I'm a country boy, and I wear boots, but there's a reason I'm not a rancher now. I don't need the hassle.
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Besides, the bull wagons are the first to get pulled behind the weigh station for a thorough log check.
 
Thanks for the education. Your points are well made and well taken.

I understand Virginia is planning on closing a substantial number of rest areas to save money.

Honestly don't see how you do it. Your job sounds brutal.
 
Originally posted by S/W - Lifer:
Your job sounds brutal.

It's not brutal if you love what you do. Sometimes a little hard, but far from brutal. It's not a lifestyle that's for everyone, that's for sure.
 
Originally posted by truckemup97:
Third, some states have put limits on the amount of time on the amount of time trucks can spend in a rest area. Virginia has recently lowered their limits to two hours. The state police are enforcing this with tickets that carry a fine of $135 and three points on your license. After they give you the ticket and send you on your way, you then run the risk of being pulled over for Hours of Service (log book) violations. I've been told, but can't confirm, that they then call the weigh station down the road from the rest area and tell them to watch for certain trucks that will be in violation. Of course, it's all about safety. When a spokesperson for the state police was asked where drivers were supposed to take their 10 hour break, she replied that they could just get a hotel room like normal people. I don't know what normal is, but I don't have $60/night extra for a motel room every night. Even if I did, very few motels have parking for a truck, so we're back to no place to park the truck again.
Would pulling out of the rest area and doing a big circle to the next exit and driving right back in avoid the 2 hour limit? I realize it would be a royal PIA to wake up every 2 hours to drive for 10 minutes, but maybe it's an option?
 
Originally posted by perpster:

Would pulling out of the rest area and doing a big circle to the next exit and driving right back in avoid the 2 hour limit? I realize it would be a royal PIA to wake up every 2 hours to drive for 10 minutes, but maybe it's an option?

No. Then they have you on a log book violation. Plus, by the time you got back, there would be four other drivers fighting over your parking space.
 
I've been hearing a lot of radio ads directed at truckers for "Green Pass" allowing truckers to not have to stop at weigh stations. Does that help at all? Is it really a scam?
 
I know the ones on I-45 from Houston to Dallas
stay packed at night. Both the full fledged
rest areas with bathrooms, and the smaller
picnic areas. I don't know if they have time
limits here or not, but I almost never see any
troopers messing with them.
They will be lined up bumper to bumper all
through the driveways.
They even have separate lanes now for the trucks
vs cars on the new big one I often stop at to
take a leak. The cars pull up front, but the
trucks have a lane that winds around the back.
Maybe Tejas is a bit more truck friendly than
some states, but I couldn't say for sure.
I'll often zip into one to refill my coffee cup,
etc.. Wall to wall trucks on both sides of me
all the way through the rest area, if it's one
of the "picnic/rest" areas. I'll dive into a
empty slot, refill my cup, and whoosh, I'm
off again.. :/
 
I'm sure everything you said is true, Truck? My only "road" work, was doing line hauls and at that only for a few months. I'd imagine it's no different than the warm reception we city drivers usually got! Something like the difference between ignorance and apathy, I don't know and I don't care. A fully endorsed CDL doesn't come with the magic "endorsement" though? You know, that one that allows you to be able to make a 53' trailer fold up and be carried in a drivers hip pocket?
 
I swear it seems as if some factions are out to grind the economy to a halt, especially under the guise of "environmentalism".

You're right about the need to get the word out.
 
Originally posted by perpster:
I've been hearing a lot of radio ads directed at truckers for "Green Pass" allowing truckers to not have to stop at weigh stations. Does that help at all? Is it really a scam?

That's a "Pre-Pass". THere are a couple of different ones, but that's the one they advertise on XM/Sirius, and the one I have. If your company has a good rating with DOT, they weigh your truck in the road, and a device like an EZ Pass or a Pike Pass communicates with a computer. If everything is OK, they give you a green light to bypass the weigh station. If you get a red light, you have to pull in. I have had one for nine years, and I love it!

MK, Texas is more "truck friendly" than most places, but as you have noticed, truck parking is at a premium, especially around the big cities and along the major corridors. I've never understood why, in the land of wide open spaces, they can't build a 150 space truck parking lot at a rest area. We don't do it in Oklahoma, either.
 
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