Hey!, California...Hold my beer!

[coltle6920]

In the race to the bottom Illinois is making changes to certain terminology used for criminals.

From an online article:

In a move that seems like parody, but sadly isn't, a bill that passed both houses in Illinois yesterday would change the word "offender" to "justice-impacted individual" in state law.

From the same article:

Illinois legislators are also pushing a bill to change "armed habitual criminal" to "persistent unlawful possession of a weapon."

Illinois became the first state in the U.S. to entirely abolish cash bail which was a massive win for criminals.

Not exactly something to hold bragging rights about.

 

[DWalt]

I once turned down an extremely attractive and well paying promotion to a job in Chicago because I couldn't stomach the thought of ever having to live there. Figuratively and literally. My wife felt the same.

 

[oldbrownhat]

You didn't quote the source but alas, there are a number of articles on this (Bill 4409). One article (from WGN9), does say:

...it would only apply to participants in one program meant to rehabilitate people and keep them out of prison.
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Rehab vs. prison is a good thing for those who can achieve it but I can't for the life of me see what benefit changing the terminology can have on the process. But I will freely admit I'm just not au fait with the zeitgeist. But neither am I from California (although I am presently holding a beer.)

 

[Rustyt1953]

One of the mods lives in Chicago. He is quite content there.

 

[walter o]

Yes you can take the person out of CHICAGO but you can't TAKE Chicago OUT OF THE PERSON.
Just like the buggers moving out of CALIFORNIA they bring their laws with them

 

[Rudi]

No wonder gun sales are up.

 

[Telecaster]

Keep telling a person he's not a criminal, eventually they'll believe it.

 

[coltle6920]

You didn't quote the source but alas, there are a number of articles on this (Bill 4409). One article (from WGN9), does say:

...it would only apply to participants in one program meant to rehabilitate people and keep them out of prison.​

Like you after reading the article I don't understand how redefining a criminal affects anything other than some slick lawyer will use the new terminology to downplay his clients guilt. Meanwhile the victims are still just that and no new words will end their suffering.

The mentioned program in the article is only applicable to first time offenders. Don't know how this reduces crime except that one gets a free pass for the first offense assuming it's a minor one. Another fact is that States are no longer required to report crime statistics. Another shell game to make us believe that crime is going down.

Here's the link...
Illinois Set to Change Description of 'Offender' to 'Justice-Impacted Individual' in State Law | The Gateway Pundit | by Margaret Flavin​

 

[coltle6920]

One of the mods lives in Chicago. He is quite content there.

Your words or his?

 

[Rustyt1953]

Your words or his?

From his mouth to my ear they are certainly his.

 

[coltle6920]

From his mouth to my ear they are certainly his.

Just curious... I was "content" with how my ex-wife cooked. It didn't kill me but choices were limited.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I believe that a certain amount of shame is necessary in society. It helps to self police people. Take away the concept of shame and problems arise.

 

[steelslaver]

Reminder that when traveling east to take a hard right turn at I35 and not take any lefts until Kansas.

Refer to my comments about stupid laws in a previous thread

 

[dockmurgw]

Given a few minutes, a sheet of paper and a pencil...I could come up with a list of negatives for every state in the union, including my own. And Denver CO. would most definitely hold a prominent position in the list. I could also make a list of great things about every state...CA would be in that list. Home is where the heart is.

 

[TXBryan]

Born in Illinois

I am a native Illinoian. Southwestern Illinois, as far from Chicago as one can be and still be from the same state. Moved back to Illinois after North Carolina and Florida in the late 80s and lived in a Northwest Chicago 'burb and quite enjoyed being close to Chi-town. Great restaurants, darn good theater, great music and arts scene, fabulous museums, and great festivals. Even some decent baseball on occasion.

A very good friend, also from Illinois, has resided in California for some time now. When I asked, once, how a conservative fellow like him copes, he replied "it isn't that different from Illinois." So there you go. I do not believe I could move back to the Inland Empire, Land of Lincoln, The Prairie State. But that's me.

Moved to Texas in '91 and they have yet to manufacture sufficient explosives to dislodge me from the Lone Star State. Nevertheless Illinois has a lot going for it; I was an agricultural professional there and, being one of the "I" states, Illinois is rather "where it's at" for crop production.

And special, perhaps most of all, for my 93 year old Mother still lives there.

 

[H Richard]

I believe those new definitions were written by transplanted Californians. Thank God I live over 300 miles from Chicago.

 

[Onomea]

Here ya go: https://youtu.be/-_KkgPRo4wA?si=sNzRslBBH_L0nrCD

 

[johngalt]

... Illinois became the first state in the U.S. to entirely abolish cash bail which was a massive win for criminals.

Or are they alleged criminals?

 

[hsguy]

Your words or his?

Just to put your mind to rest lest you think I was misquoted that is my feeling exactly having lived here for 63 years.

 

[swsig]

I believe that a certain amount of shame is necessary in society. It helps to self police people. Take away the concept of shame and problems arise.

And right along with that goes unearned merit.