Hit the intruder three times without stopping him
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If a person does not fall once shot three times, it means he was not impressed with the caliber used.
The story makes my blood boil. It shows how low some defense attorneys can go. The perp's attorney wants charges dismissed on someone that is obviously guilty. By putting up enough smoke screens, there is a change the attorney will be successful.
None of the Judges I know would have needed time to decide if there was enough evidence to set a trial.
The story makes my blood boil. It shows how low some defense attorneys can go. The perp's attorney wants charges dismissed on someone that is obviously guilty. By putting up enough smoke screens, there is a change the attorney will be successful.
None of the Judges I know would have needed time to decide if there was enough evidence to set a trial.
mg357
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I would like to applaude the home owner for doing what he did it is just to darn bad that he was unable to kill the burglar then there would have been no need for a trial.
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venomballistics
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thats why I never advise anyone to carry anything less than the biggest caliber they can handle.
Double-O-Dave
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My hat is off to Mr. Leone (the victim) - that man is harder than Chinese algebra!
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Dave
StatesRightist
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Which is why I have a 12GA for the house. If he takes 3 rounds of buckshot center mass and keeps coming I'll hand him the gun and pull the trigger myself, he's a better man than I am.
If he takes 3 rounds of 12 GA buckshot center mass and keeps coming then all the zombie preppers aren't crazy after all.
But I agree with you about using a shotgun for home defense. Always use the BFG you can.
chp
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What did the perp get shot with?
StatesRightist
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Or perhaps it was shot placement?
ogilvyspecial
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Back in the 90's I worked with a guy who I became pretty good friends with. Eventually he changed dept & shift so we didn't hang out after work like we used to.
After a few years I heard some people talking at work saying "Reggie" had been shot, three times with a .45
I wore a radio at the time and was called away while they were talking so I never heard exactly what happened.
A couple of years later I was sitting in a chair at work when somebody came up behind me, grabbed me around the neck and said, "don't move." I knew immediately that it was Reggie.
I turned and said, I heard you got killed? He said they tried, but failed in spite of their best efforts. While telling me what went down he pulled up his shirt and showed me where he had been hit 3 times in the chest with .45 acp rounds.
He was hit all 3 times in the upper torso with 2 rounds hitting on either side of his heart area and the other just slightly below.
Reggie was as lucky at gettin' shot as he was when we used to play pool at his house after work.
After a few years I heard some people talking at work saying "Reggie" had been shot, three times with a .45
I wore a radio at the time and was called away while they were talking so I never heard exactly what happened.
A couple of years later I was sitting in a chair at work when somebody came up behind me, grabbed me around the neck and said, "don't move." I knew immediately that it was Reggie.
I turned and said, I heard you got killed? He said they tried, but failed in spite of their best efforts. While telling me what went down he pulled up his shirt and showed me where he had been hit 3 times in the chest with .45 acp rounds.
He was hit all 3 times in the upper torso with 2 rounds hitting on either side of his heart area and the other just slightly below.
Reggie was as lucky at gettin' shot as he was when we used to play pool at his house after work.
Shots to the abdomen with any caliber are not always effective.
Odds are the old timer had his .38 loaded with LRN 158's.
I see that quite a bit with folks who load up a weapon and it has sat for many years without being used.
Kudos to him for continuing the fight and not giving up.
Odds are the old timer had his .38 loaded with LRN 158's.
I see that quite a bit with folks who load up a weapon and it has sat for many years without being used.
Kudos to him for continuing the fight and not giving up.
fiasconva
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Lobogunleather had a great post about things like this quite some time ago. A lot of us thought it should have been a sticky. It's a must read so a search for it is worth the time.
USAF385
US Veteran
Gut shots don't often do too much slowing down.... ask any hunter.
The old man had a plan and modified it as things played out. Pretty sharp for 90 and living in the SanFran area. Joe
I have witnessed many people after being shot and quite a few as they were shot. I have seen some strange things happen like someone dying of a non fatal wound and someone living after being hit with a fatal wound.
That said, I have never (in military, LE or civilian life) ever saw someone take three hits anywhere from a .45acp and continue aggression or retreat. Not saying the wounds were fatal but they stopped the person right then.
Now that said, I know of a sheriff that carried a 1911 and was very proficient with it. One night he was chasing an armed robber in an alley. He shot the perp in the leg but the guy kept running. He shot the guy a second time in the leg. The guy kept running. Finally he shot the guy in the gut as the guy spun on him. The man went down. It was later learned the man was wearing an artificial leg that now has two bullet holes in it.
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ogilvyspecial
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When Reggie (post #12) was telling me about getting shot I asked,
"What did you do when he shot ya?"
Reggie said, "What the heck do you think I did!?!? I fell down!"
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Just because a bullet strikes someone (regardless of caliber) doesn't guarantee he's going down. The bullets must hit a vital organ, artery, or nerve to stop that person. A flesh shot might cause a person to bleed to death hours later, but might not put him down as fast as one might like or need to.
Chief38
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Things learned from this----"Don't mess with Reggie"...
A few millimeters one way or another is all it takes.
My brother was left a parapalegic when shot in the back once
with a .22 lr
He darn near died on way to the hospital. The medics said they
lost him twice in the ambulance on the way to hospital.
Fate is a fickle mistress.
RIP Donnie love you brother
chuck
A few millimeters one way or another is all it takes.
My brother was left a parapalegic when shot in the back once
with a .22 lr
He darn near died on way to the hospital. The medics said they
lost him twice in the ambulance on the way to hospital.
Fate is a fickle mistress.
RIP Donnie love you brother
chuck
Chief, hate to disagree with you but you are not correct. People will generally go down after being hit once. This does not have to go into a vital area. Hit them twice and they are more prone to fall. Hit them three times and they will fall if you are using the right caliber gun. I have saw many hit in shoulders, arms and such with just one bullet fired by street perps and they fell in virtually the same spot they were hit. Hollywood has done a great job in mind control making us buy certain guns and seeing people continue agression after being hit a dozen times. Like a knee replacement, people do not care to be hit a second time. A large enough caliber and the person is going down, if for no other reason than shock value.
Hunters will call foul on this but people are different from animals. People reason that they have been shot and are likely in bad shape so they fall. Animals have a survial instinct and will often continue to run until they bleed out.
Hitting arteries, organs, spine or such may bring about death or instant paralsys but hitting a person anywhere with a good size caliber and they will fall, if not after the first hit they will after the second and for sure during the third.
A myth that has been circulating for years is that a drugged up perp has unnatural strength and will continue to be an agressor. This is not correct in most instances. Druggies are victims of their own habits. They have weakened internal systems and actually easier to take down unless they are on some of the lesser used drugs that give a short lived boost to their system. I had to sit through four hours of a boring seminar listening to medical experts discuss this.
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