Maximumbob54
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All I can say is that I hope I'm that awesome when I'm 90.
Hit the intruder three times without stopping him
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venomballistics
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good thing PCP isnt a mainstream chemical modifier.
In my young and dumb years I saw that poison make a resurgence. saw two different perps flip out on it, maul people, take hideous levels of damage, and keep on truckin.
yeah their overall physical states are compromised from the abuse. Im sure a well placed rock from a sling shot would end their lives ... AFTER they come down
This right here. But we still have to remember that people are animals and some of them, either b/c they are just really bad people or they are under the influence of drugs, might not drop when shot with anything if it doesn't hit brain or spine. You have to keep shooting until they are not physically able to continue the attack b/c of blood loss or broken bones.
You seem to have a good grasp on this fact. But then you go on about "Hit them three times and they will fall if you are using the right caliber gun". And then "A large enough caliber and the person is going down, if for no other reason than shock value."
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That's the truth. In all my LE career I've never run into anyone more dangerous than someone on this drug. I kneeled on one subject (I'm over 200 pounds) and he raised up and bit me twice. He felt no pain whatsoever, had strength that you had to experience to believe, and was literally out of his mind. On the other hand, in over 30 years I'd never been assaulted by anyone simply smoking pot. As the Waco Kid told the sheriff in Blazing Saddles, don't take your gun. If you shoot Mongo you'll just make him mad. I felt that way about the kid on PCP.
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more folks should take a crack at building a hot rod. you'd gain some insight into the effects of psychological state.
If ever you've had a wrench slip in cold weather to where your knuckles meet a solid structure the pain involved isnt far off from a swift kick to the wedding vegetables.
Thing is, we get passionate about such things. most other tasks, a fraction of that injury would be cause to warm the bench. Not so on a beloved machine. you wont let it defeat you and you might proclaim something to the effect of "You want my blood you can have it till it burns off your headers when I dump the clutch at 6000!!!!" You then finish the task .. wrap your hand in a shop towel grab a bite to eat and go at it again.
its a conditional attitude like this that determines how much caliber will be necessary.
at the dinner table, a stray 22 will probably send ya off.
Just add a passionate pursuit of an objective and you might be able to eat a mag of 9MM's and pee napalm as you finish your job.
by the way, .. do try to clean the blood off exhaust system components when they become contaminated as such.
The next emotion you'll be charged with will be fear and panic when you smell that funk during the shake down cruise
venomballistics
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I saw it twice ... after that, you might see "shocking graphic" footage of a pride of lions taking down caribou in Africa ... and then see the violence unfolding as order and civility
PeterCartwright
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Kudos to the scrappy senior! Maybe someone needs to get him some more effective ammo but I'm impressed that he was 3 for 5 with his "heater". Given what I've seen about today's hit/miss ratio, this citizen did pretty well!
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I wish the news reporters would get gun use details...such as make, caliber, ammo type, etc. and add them to the story. I'm always curious about what worked or didn't work. All you ever hear is "pistol", "rifle" or "shotgun"...if that.
They might do so if they knew it. Shootings are time consuming to learn the details. Caliber is often not known for a couple days. Gun types are difficult to determine quickly. Some weapons are never found. Ammo type is seldom learned.
StatesRightist
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What can you expect from a bunch of idiots who think semi-autos are the same thing as full auto?
Thanks for posting! I just came in off the road and read this.
I'm having a toast to Reggie as I write this. Hope he lives forever!
TACC1
I'm having a toast to Reggie as I write this. Hope he lives forever!
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Keep it safe out there guys, and remember that a pistol buys you time to get to the 12 gauge or rifle.
Correct, assuming you are where there is a 12 ga or rifle around.
I wonder if there are any stats on where firearm confrontations take place.
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Since so few folks carry compared to the number of households that have guns, I would have to guess that most of the time it is at home. I've never read any statistics on this particular subject that I thought were reliable. Nevertheless, here's a collection of data referred to as a "Fact Sheet"
by GOA. 2.5 million SD uses and .5 million away from home. 80/20. The SD uses range from just saying they have a gun, brandishing a gun, firing a warning shot... rarely shooting anyone.Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives - Gun Owners Of America
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Not a vital shot. Potentially lethal, of course, but not nearly rapid enough. This is a left over from the old style targets and reference to imprecise definitions of "center mass".
Google "tactical anatomy" and see what Dr. Williams has to say about target selection. In crude terms, the vital target area is defined by a horizontal line though the nipples on the bottom, a vertical line using the nipples as the bottom outside corner of the box, and roughly clavicle notch as the upper marker for the top horizontal line. A good throat shot has a decent chance of hitting vital blood vessels and the spine, but it is a hard target to reliably hit. Likewise the face (NOT a "headshot" - too much hard skull in the way) - draw a triangle roughly framed by the outside of the eyes and the nasal passages.
This does not take away from the warrior attitude displayed by the old guy - that's tough.
Since so few folks carry compared to the number of households that have guns, I would have to guess that most of the time it is at home. I've never read any statistics on this particular subject that I thought were reliable. Nevertheless, here's a collection of data referred to as a "Fact Sheet"
Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives - Gun Owners Of America
Made some great reading and I would say it is pretty close to being accurate.
* 3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun."
And this is why I support open carry. Never known of a criminal yet go up against armed people.
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Thing is there's no such thing as a sure thing, especially in a fight. Plan accordingly, get trained, and use a gun/caliber your comfortable with!
And to the 90 year old I say this, Valhalla has a place reserved for you, and HOOYAH! Dale
And to the 90 year old I say this, Valhalla has a place reserved for you, and HOOYAH! Dale
In regards to the Animals hunted vs. humans taking a bullet.
The difference here is people will "KNOW" when they are shot
and therefore are affected most times by going into some state
of "shock". The animal does'nt go into shock most cases and will
run sometimes until vitals give out or a bleed out occurs. I would never count out a perp on "any kind of controlled substance" until
the coroner was standing on top of him declaring him legally dead.
chuck
The difference here is people will "KNOW" when they are shot
and therefore are affected most times by going into some state
of "shock". The animal does'nt go into shock most cases and will
run sometimes until vitals give out or a bleed out occurs. I would never count out a perp on "any kind of controlled substance" until
the coroner was standing on top of him declaring him legally dead.
chuck
I agree shot placement is a major concern. Any shot not hitting the point of aim is pretty much wasted.
Hitting organs is great also, if one can do it. If it gets to the point of shooting someone, the emotions are way up, the hands shake, pressure is on both physically and emotionally.
Hitting the spine is difficult, especially on a moving target.
Hitting the brain is also hard, as is the lungs, heart or such.
You seldom hear someone give other options, usually non lethal and easier to hit.
Have you ever saw a one legged man walk or run? They cannot do so. Hitting someone in the legs with a proper caliber stops all aggression. Hit someone in the pelvic region stops aggression.
Two legs vs one narrow spine? Take the leg shot since it is a better target.
Pelvic region goes across the entire body. Heart, lungs and other are limited in area. Pelvic regions are easy to hit even by the unpracticed marksman.
Hitting organs is great also, if one can do it. If it gets to the point of shooting someone, the emotions are way up, the hands shake, pressure is on both physically and emotionally.
Hitting the spine is difficult, especially on a moving target.
Hitting the brain is also hard, as is the lungs, heart or such.
You seldom hear someone give other options, usually non lethal and easier to hit.
Have you ever saw a one legged man walk or run? They cannot do so. Hitting someone in the legs with a proper caliber stops all aggression. Hit someone in the pelvic region stops aggression.
Two legs vs one narrow spine? Take the leg shot since it is a better target.
Pelvic region goes across the entire body. Heart, lungs and other are limited in area. Pelvic regions are easy to hit even by the unpracticed marksman.
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