Hollywood Actor Wants Magazine Ban

[kbm6893]

I'm a retired member of IACP, and their stance has been that they do not support a nation-wide CC permit. They are of the opinion, and I agree, that local jurisdictions, whether state, county, or municipal, should determine who gets a CC permit. IACP did support the original legislation for the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, signed by President Bush, and the improvements passed this year and signed by President Obama. I have never found or seen anything, and I've looked more than once, that shows IACP to be "anti-gun" or against legal civilian ownership of firearms.

How can you agree that one person (police chief, in most cases. Sometimes a judge) should be the deciding factor in who gets to carry a weapon? In NY, where i used to live, some counties are "must issue", and others are "may issue". If you live in a "may issue", some judge gets to interrogate you as to why you need a gun. I'm retired LEO, as well, and a friend of mine and I both got our carry permits together when we retired. I got a pro-gun judge who stamped my permit without any questions, my friend got the anti-gun one, and he was constantly questioned why he felt the need to carry. In the end, he got it, with the comment "you're only getting this because you're retired law enforcement, although i still disagree that you need it".

 

[FTG-05]

I'm a retired member of IACP, and their stance has been that they do not support a nation-wide CC permit. They are of the opinion, and I agree, that local jurisdictions, whether state, county, or municipal, should determine who gets a CC permit. IACP did support the original legislation for the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, signed by President Bush, and the improvements passed this year and signed by President Obama. I have never found or seen anything, and I've looked more than once, that shows IACP to be "anti-gun" or against legal civilian ownership of firearms.

Obviously, you didn't look very hard or very long:

I found this in less than 10 seconds:

IACP site: Gun Violence Reduction

Joyce Foundation: Joyce Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Directly from wiki about the JF (emphasis added):

"Gun violence prevention and gun control

Since 2003, the Joyce Foundation has paid grants totaling over $12 million to gun control organizations[10][1]. The largest single grantee has been the Violence Policy Center, which received $4,154,970[10] between 1996 and 2006, and calls for an outright ban on handguns, semi-automatic and other firearms, and substantial restrictions on gun owners.[13] The Joyce Foundation's position on gun control has led to frequent opposition and criticism from gun rights groups, particularly the National Rifle Association, which calls the Joyce Foundation an activist foundation whose "shadowy web of huge donations" leads "straight to puppet strings that control the agenda of gun ban groups".[14]"

List of grants by the JF, note the VPC figures: Program Grants List: Gun Violence: Programs: The Joyce Foundation

JF "historic partnership" which includes the IACP here: National Law Enforcement Groups Launch Historic Partnership To Fight Gun Violence: 2010: News Items: News Room: The Joyce Foundation

ETA: Oh, and when you do a search on "NRA" on the IACP site, this is what you get:

"Search this site
Search results for: nra in category "XHTML"

No results found."

 

[EPWrangler]

If it wouldn't make John Wayne proud then why pay attention to it. Only other actor I listened to was named Reagan. Wish he were still here to help my country. Since he isn't I will just have to ask for God to help us survive for two more years.

 

[safearm]

FTG,
I don't think you will find a statement from IACP that supports the elimination of legal ownership of guns, however, there are plenty of places where IACP, and even the NRA, advocate a reduction in gun violence and illegal activities involving guns.

 

[FTG-05]

FTG,
I don't think you will find a statement from IACP that supports the elimination of legal ownership of guns, however, there are plenty of places where IACP, and even the NRA, advocate a reduction in gun violence and illegal activities involving guns.

You are who you keep company with.

The Joyce Foundation clearly wants to ban guns, given the almost $5M they've given the VPC, a gun control organization.

BTW, "gun violence" is code word for "gun control", just so you know.

The IACP has supported gun control for quite some time. The latest effort was dated Oct. '10. You can't blame that on someone who was president 10 years or more ago.

 

[bubbiesdad]

FTG,
I don't think you will find a statement from IACP that supports the elimination of legal ownership of guns, however, there are plenty of places where IACP, and even the NRA, advocate a reduction in gun violence and illegal activities involving guns.

You will find the IACP out in full force, being against restaurant carry, (TN).

 

[bubbiesdad]

You are who you keep company with.

The Joyce Foundation clearly wants to ban guns, given the almost $5M they've given the VPC, a gun control organization.

BTW, "gun violence" is code word for "gun ban", just so you know.

The IACP has supported gun control for quite some time. The latest effort was dated Oct. '10. You can't blame that on someone who was president 10 years or more ago.

Many Chiefs, at least around here, are against citizens carrying in public.

 

[bubbiesdad]

FTG,
I don't think you will find a statement from IACP that supports the elimination of legal ownership of guns, however, there are plenty of places where IACP, and even the NRA, advocate a reduction in gun violence and illegal activities involving guns.

"and even the NRA, advocate a reduction in gun violence and illegal activities involving guns"

Were you expecting the NRA to be in favor of violence and illegal activity involving guns?

 

[FTG-05]

A couple more seconds at the NRA site, it was real difficult doing that search on "IACP":

Nov. 2007: NRA-ILA :: Follow the Money

Oct. 2010 (2nd para: "Both IACP and the Joyce Foundation are names synonymous with promoting a variety of gun control schemes at the federal and state levels."): NRA-ILA :: NRA Strongly Opposes The Nomination Of Andrew Traver to Head BATFE Calls On President Obama To Withdraw The Nomination


I think it's pretty clear that the IACP clearly supports gun control.

What's even more clear is the credibility of someone who "looked more than once".

 

[jkc]

It's amazing how actors and singers (many of whom never finished high school) have the correct answers to everything. Manmade global warming, ocean currents, green energy, world hunger, commercial fishing, oil and gas exploration, what car you should drive, who to vote for, which political party has the answers, the list goes on and on.

Yeah, like that self-possessed, loud-mouthed, foul-mouthed, rock & roll showman Ted Nugent...

 

[DeadManWalking]

Magazine capacity limits
In case you are not familiar with his work, Alan Korwin, the "Uninvited Ombudsman," is an excellent source for RKBA issues. He also has a free news letter you can sign up for. Page Nine Index

Below is a pull-quote from his latest offering, some suggested talking points on the proposed limit on magazine capacity. For the entire article, go to; Page Nine: Magazine Ammo Limits

"The Crux"

"By focusing on magazine size instead of ways to stop active shooters you jeopardize everyone's safety."

"Hoping to limit murderers by limiting magazines is irrational and hoplophobic."

"Why have people picked a ten-round limit? Why not two?"

"Are they saying it's OK to only kill ten people? That makes no sense."

"Would you make police obey the same limit? Why not? This is key."

A similar article can be seen at; POLITICALLY CORRECTED Glossary of Terms

 

[handejector]

Hollywood Actor Wants Magazine Ban

so what else is new?

i think he should stick to acting.

Exactly.
Nothing is new here. So why does this thread drag on? This first post summed it up.
There are far more relevant topics and issues to discuss. We've known for decades actors are willing to make millions holding a prop gun, promoting violence as a solution, and then say guns should not be in our hands.
Big deal- media Double-Speak.

Let's move on to something meaningful.