Holsters Makers: Hermann H. Heiser Archive

N and J frame, two of my favorite Heisers.
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Tim the #713 J frame is absolutely FANTASTIC!

below you can see the catalog page with 413, 513 and 713 holsters
The 713 is well rappresented by the photo of the awesome Tim's holsters
Here two photos of the #413 Plain Smooth Finish, followed by the 513 in the nexts posts
 

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Found the Steer Head stamped holster with, probably, the earlier numeration of the holsters # 200 instead 407, on the Seattle Hardware Company catalog about 1920

I hold that catalogue page as 1909, but I don't have any evidence that the source was correct about that.
 
I hold that catalogue page as 1909, but I don't have any evidence that the source was correct about that.
Red
In your catalog the scalloped holster is even marked with the number 20 so we already have 3 different numbered based on the era.
I'm searching to know the right year of the page with Heiser holsters take frome the Seattle Hardware Company.
 
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This is the holster that began my slippery slope into vintage holster collecting. While browsing in a local gun shop one Saturday in 2009, I noticed a flyer advertising a gun auction, that was being held at an auction house just down the road, and that started in 30 minutes. I decided to check it out since I had never been to one before. When I arrived, I had very little time to look at much, but a holster caught my eye. It was in a glass display case so I couldn't examine it, but it had a tag that said "Heiser Colt .45". I noticed the beautiful floral carving and the thong sewed edge. Not only that, I had a Colt .45 SAA and a Colt .45 1911, so I figured it would fit one or the other. I had recognized seeing holsters like it in the forum, knew it was vintage, that Heiser was a big name in the business, but had NO CLUE what it was worth.

I joined this forum in 2008 because the first gun I bought when I turned 21 (about 30 years before) was a S&W 66-2, and I loved it. I wanted to learn as much as I could about it and other gun stuff. I enjoyed perusing the forum often, and absorbing everything that I could. I really liked looking at the Gun Leather section and drooling over the fantastic pictures!

Back to the auction. I took a seat as the auction started, and watched how to do things until the Heiser holster came up for bids. As soon as the auctioneer started, I bid $10.👍 Immediately, another gentleman bid $20.🤬 I tentatively bid $25 and……..silence. I won and did a little happy dance 🕺 in my head. I interestedly watched the rest of the auction not really knowing much about the different guns that came up or whether prices were good or bad. I did notice that a kinda young uniformed police officer bought 3-4 revolvers. After it was over, I paid for my holster and got in my truck. As I looked at the holster closely, I turned it over, and on the back was the Triple H Heiser Denver maker's mark and the number 719. I could tell this was done at the factory. I also saw something scratched on the holster. It looked like "SW K22" to me, and I had no idea how it got there, or exactly what it meant.

The holster was kinda dirty and I wasn't sure how to clean it, so I stopped by a "Red Wing Boots" store on the way home thinking that they might be able to steer me in the right direction. The place was deserted, and the guy that waited on me was about 60. For some reason, I thought it might not be a good idea to take the holster in with me. I told him about getting the holster and what I wanted to do. He asked me to show it to him which I did. His eyes lit up and he said he liked guns a lot. He's the one that told me that the scratching on the back of the holster stood for S&W Model K22. He said that the K22 was a .22 caliber S&W revolver, and that a previous owner had probably scratched that on the back since that is what fit in the holster. He said that he wouldn't be surprised if a K22 was also part of the auction, and wondered if I had noticed. I decided then and there that I needed a K22 to go with my holster! A few days later, I went back to the gun shop that had the flyer and was telling the owner about my new holster. He proceeded to tell me that his police officer son had bought some really nice guns at the auction, including a super nice K22 Outdoorsman for $475!!😭

I, obviously, learned here that the "scratching" was done by the factory, and a few months later, I bought a K22 Outdoorsman. It, unfortunately🙄, came with a King Target Rib attached so I wouldn't put it in my Heiser holster. I also bought a K22 Masterpiece that fit perfectly in the holster soon after. So this holster started my journey into S&W's, and vintage leather floral carved holsters, that I love so much! Over the years I have learned a huge amount from John Witty (turnerriver), Red Nichols (rednichols), and my mentors the late Bobby Thomas (fat tom), and the late Charlie Sides (crsides). I have also made a large number of other internet friends here. You folks are great!
Larry

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What a great story and perhaps my favorite on this forum so far, beyond those that document holstorical dating.

Geez, John, you and I are going to end up on that "late" list someday. We're old and I'm not looking forward to it. When it happens, someone please mention that we had personal lives outside of gunleather, including families!

FYI that marking for the K22 is not literally 'scratched' into the leather but marked onto it. I make the distinction because we leather workers use scratch awls, which are sharp-ponted and leave rough, permanent marks; whereas yours were made with a ball-ended tool called a stylus, that left a removable mark while the leather was wet. Myres did this too, sometimes using a ballpoint pen when they first appeared.

In the image a young woman is using the stylus to transfer an engraving pattern from a transparent film, onto wet leather. Can't be scratched on this way, m/b a stylus instead and even a ballpoint pen or a pencil works.
 

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Alas the Heiser mark does not help with dating with the most popular, the football, being one of the very first. Only the hardware assists with this at a glance, and even then one drills down into one's catalogs to find intro dates. The model numbering is even unreliable with identical styles having very different numbering. In sequential years Heiser's numbers even changed year by year under HKL management!! And is how one tells a 1950 catalogue from a 1951 from a 1952 catalogue: a number, then subsequently a prefix, then the next year a suffix. Crazy people.
 
You folks are great!
Larry
Great post Larry, actually the best of all.
I would like to thank you on behalf of everyone.
How much I love this forum!!!
:rolleyes:But how much is this holster worth to you????:rolleyes:

below is #419, and #519 for #719 Larry thought about it and he did it great.
 

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Great post Larry, actually the best of all.
I would like to thank you on behalf of everyone.
How much I love this forum!!!
:rolleyes:But how much is this holster worth to you????:rolleyes:

below is #419, and #519 for #719 Larry thought about it and he did it great.
Marcello, just because of the story above, it is one of the last ones that I would ever get rid of. I won't say it is priceless. In actuality, in its current condition, I would value it at $125-150, which may be a bit ambitious.
Larry
 
What a great story and perhaps my favorite on this forum so far, beyond those that document holstorical dating.

Geez, John, you and I are going to end up on that "late" list someday. We're old and I'm not looking forward to it. When it happens, someone please mention that we had personal lives outside of gunleather, including families!

FYI that marking for the K22 is not literally 'scratched' into the leather but marked onto it. I make the distinction because we leather workers use scratch awls, which are sharp-ponted and leave rough, permanent marks; whereas yours were made with a ball-ended tool called a stylus, that left a removable mark while the leather was wet. Myres did this too, sometimes using a ballpoint pen when they first appeared.

In the image a young woman is using the stylus to transfer an engraving pattern from a transparent film, onto wet leather. Can't be scratched on this way, m/b a stylus instead and even a ballpoint pen or a pencil works.

Red, unfortunately, we ALL will ultimately end up on the "late list". I should have said in my story that I also had learned here on the forum how the "scratching" was done by the factory….probably from you. I described it as scratching because I distinctly remember the Red Wing Boots store guy describing it that way.

I also find the dating of Heiser Holsters interesting and confusing just for the reasons you listed above. Why in the world they did things like using different maker's marks at the same time, crazy numbering systems, and different hardware sure makes things difficult for us collectors and those interested in history. I mean they should have been thinking about us future folks, profit be damned!:rolleyes::D

To add to this discussion, I have a "new to me" Heiser holster heading my way that is a little different from my norm, but should add to this confusion.;)
Larry
 
Marcello, just because of the story above, it is one of the last ones that I would ever get rid of. I won't say it is priceless. In actuality, in its current condition, I would value it at $125-150, which may be a bit ambitious.
Larry
Larry, the question was only in reference to your beautiful story: everything has a price and then it is always up to us, regardless of everything, whether to take it to the grave or not.
As soon as the holster you mentioned arrives, let us know...
 
"Late list" indeed, Red. We may know more about each other's personal lives than most here do but I'm both amazed and sad that Holstory resulted with us never having met in person. It ain't over yet as the Rodney Crowell song says.
Larry, you clearly know how slippery this slope is. That is a great story, starting your collection with a $25 carved Heiser was both a smart and expensive move, like any addiction the first one was (almost) free.
I ordered the S.D. Myres rig shown below when I was 16. I thought then that I would always have at least one 4" K frame revolver so that's what I ordered. I had seen many magazine ads showing a carved Myres Threepersons holster so that's what I ordered, with a matching belt. I ordered the Berns- Martin Triple Draw Lightnin' holster about the same time, again thinking I'd always have at least one 2" J frame. I did learn about the Berns- Martin holster from reading Ian Fleming's James Bond novels but already knew they were made for revolvers only.
S.D. Myres has always been my favorite maker, I knew from reading gun magazines and books that Heiser had a reputation as a high quality and prolific maker. I've been accumulating holsters my whole life but became a serious collector after finding online auctions in the 1990's.
My interest started with wanting good looking quality leather holsters for my guns, once I found I could buy and sell literally world wide my collection grew exponentially.
Look what you started with this thread, Marcello !
I'm very glad you all are active on this forum, thank you for participating and for being a very easy group to moderate.
Best,
John Witty
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Look what you started with this thread, Marcello !
I'm very glad you all are active on this forum, thank you for participating and for being a very easy group to moderate.
Best,
John Witty
Well guys, here in Italy in the villages there is always a little square where friends meet to have a chat about politics or soccer and always of food/wine and women (provided they are beautiful and better if scantily dressed)
Well the forum is this little square and at every table or bench there is a little group that talks about whatever passion they have in common.
On my bench there are you and I have to admit that we don't get bored on the contrary... I would like them to multiply and that some friend would do the same thing for Myres, Brill or Lawrence or dedicated to the craftsman who deserves it... it would become a great well place to spent time
 

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Larry, the question was only in reference to your beautiful story: everything has a price and then it is always up to us, regardless of everything, whether to take it to the grave or not.
As soon as the holster you mentioned arrives, let us know...

Being in reference to my story, I will say it is PRICELESS!👍😀 I will definitely post the new holster when it arrives.
Larry
 
"Late list" indeed, Red. We may know more about each other's personal lives than most here do but I'm both amazed and sad that Holstory resulted with us never having met in person. It ain't over yet as the Rodney Crowell song says.
Larry, you clearly know how slippery this slope is. That is a great story, starting your collection with a $25 carved Heiser was both a smart and expensive move, like any addiction the first one was (almost) free.
I ordered the S.D. Myres rig shown below when I was 16. I thought then that I would always have at least one 4" K frame revolver so that's what I ordered. I had seen many magazine ads showing a carved Myres Threepersons holster so that's what I ordered, with a matching belt. I ordered the Berns- Martin Triple Draw Lightnin' holster about the same time, again thinking I'd always have at least one 2" J frame. I did learn about the Berns- Martin holster from reading Ian Fleming's James Bond novels but already knew they were made for revolvers only.
S.D. Myres has always been my favorite maker, I knew from reading gun magazines and books that Heiser had a reputation as a high quality and prolific maker. I've been accumulating holsters my whole life but became a serious collector after finding online auctions in the 1990's.
My interest started with wanting good looking quality leather holsters for my guns, once I found I could buy and sell literally world wide my collection grew exponentially.
Look what you started with this thread, Marcello !
I'm very glad you all are active on this forum, thank you for participating and for being a very easy group to moderate.
Best,
John Witty
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John, it is hard to believe that you and Red have never met in person! Of course, in this day and age, it isn't necessary. Can you imagine doing what y'all did 30-35 years ago? It would have been nearly impossible!

I don't know if you remember, but when I got that first holster I couldn't do pictures, and was actually trying to describe what I had. I remember saying that it had a "cigar shaped" thing hanging from the bottom of the holster.:eek::confused: You actually responded with a picture of what my holster should look like, and said you weren't sure what I meant about the cigar shaped thing!😂 What a newb I was! Of course, I very soon afterwards bought a digital camera and posted a picture and you correctly identified it as a tie down strap. So the cost of the camera was an additional expense like you said above. I've fought the light box expense…..so far.:rolleyes:

That Myres rig you bought at 16 is a GEM, and the Berns-Martin rig is cool too. That's one maker that I haven't gotten into. I try to stick to the Big 3, but stray every once in a while. BTW, if you tell us that your first Myres rig still fits you, I believe I'll cry!:) You know they shrink with age.:rolleyes: Do you remember what you paid for it back then?

Like the internet making the collaboration between Red and yourself much easier, it DEFINITELY made collecting nice specimens possible. If I had to do mine without the benefit of the internet, my collection would be next to nothing. Can you imagine building a collection using only things like Shotgun News and local gun shows? In fact before the internet, I owned a nice green suede lined Safariland holster for my 66-2, a nice green suede lined shoulder Safariland holster for my Colt .45 1911, a leather Bianchi Model #X-2100 Phantom shoulder holster for my Ruger Redhawk, and a camo nylon Uncle Mike's Sidekick shoulder holster that I could use hunting, again for my 66-2. That's it! Never even heard of the Big 3.

I also have done something that I know many others here have done. I have bought MANY holsters for guns that I didn't own when I bought the holster, but bought the gun for them later!
Larry
 
Well guys, here in Italy in the villages there is always a little square where friends meet to have a chat about politics or soccer and always of food/wine and women (provided they are beautiful and better if scantily dressed)
Well the forum is this little square and at every table or bench there is a little group that talks about whatever passion they have in common.

Marcello, that picture of the square is beautiful! That would be a terrific place to relax and have great conversations with friends. Do you have any folks that enjoy guns and gun leather there? Like on the forum, politics can be difficult to discuss in the states, and around my area, college football is King! Beautiful women are an added pleasure.

I just had a thought that made me chuckle to myself. You probably won't get it, but members here in the states will. I just thought about a "Twin Peaks" or "Hooters" coming to your square. Now that I think about it, it doesn't make me chuckle, it makes me cringe!
Larry
 
Marcello, that picture of the square is beautiful! That would be a terrific place to relax and have great conversations with friends. Do you have any folks that enjoy guns and gun leather there? Like on the forum, politics can be difficult to discuss in the states, and around my area, college football is King! Beautiful women are an added pleasure.

I just had a thought that made me chuckle to myself. You probably won't get it, but members here in the states will. I just thought about a "Twin Peaks" or "Hooters" coming to your square. Now that I think about it, it doesn't make me chuckle, it makes me cringe!
Larry
Larry
I am becoming more and more convinced that I must come and visit you in America, both for the symposium and to meet you, one by one.
Well, here until a few years ago, let's say until 20 years ago, among friends we had epic arguments talking about power and soccer,
now we only argue about soccer.
Excuse me friends, this was a small aside. Let's get back to us.
I have many friends who are passionate about weapons, few are competent and many are gullible.
Here we have a plethora of collectors of Lugers, Mausers and all those weapons, certainly beautiful but so complicated that they should never have been produced, or rather they would have been fine if shown together with the watch collection and not passed off as deadly military weapons.
J.M. Browning still laughs when he saw who the competitors were at the time.
Regarding gunleather here they have never seen anything, among all the arts where we have had our say, in the processing of leather we really know nothing.
In the nineties I had a gunshop in Rome and given my passion it seemed right to subscribe to American Handgunner to have quality printing in the shop.
Between the beautiful photos of the magazine and the little you saw in some books, gunleather was starting to appear here too.
To the point that when I came to Dallas in 1996 to the Shot Show I combined the business trip with some pleasure trips regarding western culture and gunleather.
In Fort Worth to M.L. Leddy's I spent a fortune on boots, which were then stolen from my house in the countryside.
In Austin downtown from the old historic Capitol Saddlery (Lavaca), now replaced by a bar restaurant, I bought a used saddle in very good condition from Colorado Saddlery and in a CowBoy Butique (cowboy culture, not CowBoy football)out of Dallas various belts from various craftsmen, with breathtaking floral decorations accompanied by various holsters, I distinctly remember some Myres and perhaps some Lawrence whose floral decoration for me is the best seen on a standard production holster.
Back in Rome, proud of the purchases I displayed everything in the shop making a truly beautiful show, with SAA everywhere, beautiful Government a little old and the most beautiful pieces of my S&W collection.
Those beasts of my customers, who as ignorant gullible commented on everything saying that it was all machine printed and that it could not be done by hand. If I could I would have exterminated them.
Now I vent my passion here in the forum which is at the same time a source of knowledge and inspiration, thanks to your participation. I personally enjoy writing and sometimes disturb you to push you to show the world but especially me the wonderful things you have accumulated over the years.
I didn't understand anything about your final story, just like you said.
In any case, what came out seems very cool to me.
 

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Here are some more of my Heiser Holsters:
1. Model 484 (first 3 pictures) - What makes this plain holster special to me? The triple H rivets, of course. It has 5 of them. It fits a K frame revolver with a 6" barrel. Supposedly, those make it a fairly early holster.
2. Model 436 (last 2 pictures) - Another plain holster that I like simply because it is a SMALL OWB holster for a Colt Vest Pocket. I found it funny when thinking about wearing a tiny FLAP holster like this on my belt.:D
Larry

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