How do you bend a Guide Rod
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JohnHL
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Are you trying to learn how to straighten it?
Or are you trying to figure out how "bubba" bent it in the first place?
John?
Or are you trying to figure out how "bubba" bent it in the first place?
John?
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Trying to figure out how it happened - not my gun - though I could buy it - and I would not try to straighten it - they are readily available - last time I looked for about $20 - maybe more now.
JohnHL
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I could go with that, but not same gun and this one is disassembled with no obvious damage to barrel or elsewhere.Easy!
It got bent when "bubba" broke the barrel!
John
So how does "Bubba" do either - these things are pretty stout and as an Engineer, I cant figure out how you could do it if you were trying.
JohnHL
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That's a great question!
Every year, when the new motorcycle models debuted, we would discuss with the engineers how every failure was anticipated and exhaustive road tests and trials were conducted to find any weaknesses that were then corrected before they were released.
I'll be darned if the customers couldn't find new and puzzling ways to break them.
John
I used to tell vendors that if we gave two bowling balls to some of our guys, they'd lose one and break they other.
Then swear it happened on their day off!
More than once I heard a vendors say, "No one ever broke one of those before."
I also told them that we had guys who took a claim that something was "unbreakable" as a challenge, not just advertising.
We never could figure out how a new ambulance with only about 5,000 miles on it ended up with a broken rear brake drum while nothing around it was damaged.
Then swear it happened on their day off!
More than once I heard a vendors say, "No one ever broke one of those before."
I also told them that we had guys who took a claim that something was "unbreakable" as a challenge, not just advertising.
We never could figure out how a new ambulance with only about 5,000 miles on it ended up with a broken rear brake drum while nothing around it was damaged.
That's a great question!
Every year, when the new motorcycle models debuted, we would discuss with the engineers how every failure was anticipated and exhaustive road tests and trials were conducted to find any weaknesses that were then corrected before they were released.
I'll be darned if the customers couldn't find new and puzzling ways to break them.
John
Knowing zero else, simplest answer seems the most logical. It got inadvertently bent while outside of the pistol. It should have been replaced but Bubba the Bender tried and said "huh still works!" and here it is.
Amazing... that happened outside the gun or wonder if was fired without a spring?
Or he put it back together, it wouldn't work correctly, and he blamed S&W for selling a "Jam O Matic."
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If fired without a spring would the slide just not return to forward position.
I just cant see how you could load the rod with enough force inside gun. I once had a 5906 that had been fired with shorter 6906 rod and it still worked just beat the heck out of tip of rod.
Maybe if gun fires with rod not properly seated on barrel?
I wouldn't be surprised if the owner had improperly seated the guide rod base during reassembly, which allowed it to slip down at the wrong moment and caused the slide/barrel to be "locked up". Then, instead of grabbing the end of the rod and pulling/twisting it to reposition it and free it, he decided to use heavy force in the wrong way. Bent rod.
You never know, though. People sometimes do weird things to the parts of their guns, for the strangest reasons.
You watch enough people at cleaning stations, engaged in "cleaning" their guns, or even attend enough armorer classes and watch other armorers at their tables, and you can see some things you'd never expected to see.
You never know, though. People sometimes do weird things to the parts of their guns, for the strangest reasons.
You watch enough people at cleaning stations, engaged in "cleaning" their guns, or even attend enough armorer classes and watch other armorers at their tables, and you can see some things you'd never expected to see.
JohnHL
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Probability dictates that invoking "Occam's Razor" is most often the correct assumption.
But let's dig a little deeper, shall we?
Bubba decides to clean his pistol.
Like most "experts", he expels a half of can of the latest, aerosol "gun goo" (touted by other "experts" on the internet) all over the outside of the gun, his hands, clothes, his wife's kitchen, and every other place it shouldn't be.
Advised by a "friend who knows everything about guns" to field strip it before cleaning, Bubba manages to get it apart, whereupon he expels the remainder of the can to the same places as before.
Satisfied with himself, he endeavors to reassemble his pistol.
He places the guide rod and spring in the dustcover, and tries mightily to push the slide on to the frame.
The guide rod and spring jams against the inside of the spring tunnel and the slide refuses to go all the way on.
This is when Bubba alternately places the muzzle or the beaver tail against a solid object and HAMMERS on the opposite end with a claw hammer from the wife's tool drawer to no avail.
"No wonder!", he exclaims.
"The thieves at S&W sold Brinks a gun with a bent guide rod!"
John
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wetdog1911
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Agree. The pistol would be in pieces with a very broke bbl if it had happened while installed. Even outside the pistol it would require a good bit of force.to bend. It wasn't just knocked off the workbench.
Rob
ACEd, is this the same 4046 that has the broken barrel? I just read your post about that one a few minutes ago. If so, I think there is a 'relationship' with the damaged parts. If not, where are you finding all of these damaged pieces? (Just an inquiring mind that 'gots to know'.)
Green Frog
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The problem with trying to make something idiot proof is that the idiots just keep getting more clever at doing damage.
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An insult that my buddy would level at another worker when something got wrecked was that the destructive operator could 'tear the snout off an anvil and claim that he'd just walked by and barely touched it.'
I'm placing a bet that Bubba didn't know to pull the end of the guide rod against the spring to remove it. It didn't just fall out, so he pried it off the barrel notch with a screwdriver under the spring, and gave some mighty pressure upwards to free the gizmo with that sprang thang wrapped around it.
Then once he found them parts, (wherever they landed), it fit back together much easier. LOL!
I can see it in my minds eye!
Then once he found them parts, (wherever they landed), it fit back together much easier. LOL!
I can see it in my minds eye!
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