Re: OP. Sorry to read of your being the victim of a theft. Glad to read that your property was recovered. Your experience reflects reality for law abiding citizens who are victimized by the police system. It isn't right. But then, when it comes to authority structures right and justice are the last considerations.
How government can circumvent our rights
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You make an excellent point. Frankly unless you are able to get it back because some pointy headed government blob is ill and has in a moment of a drug induced stupor a flash of common sense the property you reported lost or stolen, have serial numbers and photos of, there is no way YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PROVE OWNERSHIP.
wittmeba
US Veteran
Your persistence paid off and you have the advantage of know what questions to keep asking. Many may have given up.
If it was a vehicle that was impounded would they drain the gas and say you can't have it?
If it was a vehicle that was impounded would they drain the gas and say you can't have it?
lonejacklarry
US Veteran
I've followed this thread as it turned from a person that lost his gun and was treated shabbily to a LE bashing thread. For what it is worth (probably nothing) I don't know if I would have reported that I "lost" a firearm. As someone mentioned, there could be problems with the persons perceived lack of ability to safeguard his weapons. From there it would not be much of a stretch to conclude a person was not mentally capable of keeping firearms. Unless it was grandpa's Civil War Navy Colt I wouldn't have reported it. But that's me.
Anyhow, the OP reported his problems with a police agency and then the piling on began.
OP's point: His agency, apparently, displayed a lack of customer service. I agree and would not like it much either.
My point: Customer service has become a misnomer in the last decade. Any of you ever tried the 800 number to your cable company? How about your cell phone provider? Satellite TV people? Those of us that frequent auto supply stores for parts bemoan the kid that has no common sense but barely is able to find a part---if he is provided a part number. I'm building a '37 Chevy into a street rod. All the auto parts kid knows is "what are we working on" when I provide part numbers for a wheel bearing. Blank stare time! No training at all.
Anyhow, I don't think his agency displayed a lack of customer service anymore than the foreign speaking person at the cable company. His agency, as well as other establishments, scrimp on training to save money. The civilian managers are sometimes lateral entry folks from another industry.
Customer service is a thing of the past in most places. We older folks bemoan this more than the younger folks. I don't like that either but that is the way it is.
His agency did nothing different than the brain dead server at a drive-thru burger place.
Anyhow, the OP reported his problems with a police agency and then the piling on began.
OP's point: His agency, apparently, displayed a lack of customer service. I agree and would not like it much either.
My point: Customer service has become a misnomer in the last decade. Any of you ever tried the 800 number to your cable company? How about your cell phone provider? Satellite TV people? Those of us that frequent auto supply stores for parts bemoan the kid that has no common sense but barely is able to find a part---if he is provided a part number. I'm building a '37 Chevy into a street rod. All the auto parts kid knows is "what are we working on" when I provide part numbers for a wheel bearing. Blank stare time! No training at all.
Anyhow, I don't think his agency displayed a lack of customer service anymore than the foreign speaking person at the cable company. His agency, as well as other establishments, scrimp on training to save money. The civilian managers are sometimes lateral entry folks from another industry.
Customer service is a thing of the past in most places. We older folks bemoan this more than the younger folks. I don't like that either but that is the way it is.
His agency did nothing different than the brain dead server at a drive-thru burger place.
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mike from st pete
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Is there a difference in being a CITIZEN and being a CIVILIAN?
I do disagree that this has become a LEO bashing but this is a bureaucrat bashing thread. So is there a difference?
I do disagree that this has become a LEO bashing but this is a bureaucrat bashing thread. So is there a difference?
I work in IT. Join me in a hypothetical moment here:
Pretend that you worked at my business and misplaced your personal laptop somewhere in the vicinity of the business. Then you called me to report it stolen. I told you, "Gee, mister, what serial number was on the laptop?.... Uh-huh... Yeah... Ok, yeah, I think someone turned that in this morning. I'll put your name on it."
You come over to pick it up. Nobody in my office knows anything about the laptop. I didn't do what I said I'd do. At this point, you are being served poorly.
When, after running you through several evasive, non-compliant answers, I fail to provide you the laptop that you know for a fact that I have in my very possession, and my boss runs you through the same rigamarole, and you have to go talk to the head of the company in order to get us to give you back your personal property, it no longer is poor customer service. Instead, it's just plain, old, attempted theft.
So, without attempting to bash anyone in uniform, I think it's safe to say that someone in this particular police department engaged in criminal behavior because he really, really liked this guy's gun and wanted to keep it for himself. Moreover, more people in the department covered for him, thus becoming accomplices in this attempted theft.
If that isn't corruption, then what is?
Ranger514
Member
If that isn't reaching for a conclusion, what is?
Your response indicates that you are reaching for a conclusion, or have perhaps already arrived. I know I have. Welcome to Conclusionland, where you and I can live in harmony and good will.
Of course, now that you are here in Conclusionland, that laptop you are missing and those french fries you just bought and that plate of broccoli you seem to have misplaced are nowhere to be found. Nope. The mere fact that I have a very similar laptop, pile of french fries and a delicious plate of broccoli over here in no way imply that I have "found" yours. Thanks for sharing your broccoli with me. Whoops, I mean, what broccoli? Where?
Of course, now that you are here in Conclusionland, that laptop you are missing and those french fries you just bought and that plate of broccoli you seem to have misplaced are nowhere to be found. Nope. The mere fact that I have a very similar laptop, pile of french fries and a delicious plate of broccoli over here in no way imply that I have "found" yours. Thanks for sharing your broccoli with me. Whoops, I mean, what broccoli? Where?
I did not start the thread to bash cops. But frankly after twenty-fives years as one, if I want to bash cops I have earned the right to be critical of my brothers and sisters. Now having said this, the difference between poor service at the auto parts store. And the PD is simple. The auto parts store can not take your property and do so under color of the law. The auto parts store can't not take away your liberty or life. Cops can do all those things. Lastly I love the way one particular commentor found a clever and not so very subtle way of calling me incompetent for my inability to secure my weapon. I suppose he feels the same about the on duty Seattle Officer who forgot his rifle on the roof of his patrol car. Certainly that officer must have been immediately committed to a home for the senile and mentally imparted. And let's be glad no Police Officer has ever had an accidental discharge of his firearm in a police station.. There but for Grace of God go he!
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BigBill
Absent Comrade
I'm very careful when I use a public restroom with an in the pants holster.
But it could happen to any of us we never know. I think I'm switching back to a shoulder holster.
If I was a young kid again I'd become a ninja. And forget guns.
But it could happen to any of us we never know. I think I'm switching back to a shoulder holster.
If I was a young kid again I'd become a ninja. And forget guns.
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Texas Star
US Veteran
I think he had to report it, in case it was used in a crime.
Probably the missing rounds were fired by some cop, but maybe by the finder, who may have fired those rounds in a crime.
As for bureaucracy, how about the Executive Order banning sale of ivory?! Who the devil gave the authority to issue that order?
We can't get into politics here, but there are those who are slowly strangling all traces of freedom in the USA.
A few Class Action lawsuits by Second Amendment Foundation or NRA that impose severe fines and other punishmnt on such officials might jack them up a little. If the right media people see a scandal that might boost ratings, they might cover the case. But the media are almost uniformly anti-gun, so...
Waywatcher
Member
Well, it's actually a relatively new abnormality to define police as "not a civilian."
It's still normal in every country except here to consider civilians literally everyone outside of the military... Which makes me wonder what is different about the police here...
This recent redefinition of words is exactly part of the problem to which he was drawing attention.
Rastoff
US Veteran
I would notice my watch missing within a minute or two.
