the ringo kid
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If your referring to me? I wasnt a Cop. I was a Peace Officer. Big difference.
How government can circumvent our rights
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If your referring to me? I wasnt a Cop. I was a Peace Officer. Big difference.
I am amazed at the number of responses this generated. I thank you all.The whole point of posting was to tell the "average joe " out there just how much the government no matter it's seize. Attempts to thwart our rights and just how much we the people are disdained by those who are to serve our needs. After all the government tells us they exist to provide for the common good. Do not be fooled, the government and it's bureaucrats exist to exert their power and influence over us.
Had I not known what I knew they would have trampled my rights not just walked over them. And yes, on principle alone I would like to file suit, but it would be me up against trained lawyers and high priced retained law forms for a value of say $7.00 at most for seven FTX bullets. Nah, I'll just vent here and take comfort in the belief that all of you understand.
Had I not known what I knew they would have trampled my rights not just walked over them. And yes, on principle alone I would like to file suit, but it would be me up against trained lawyers and high priced retained law forms for a value of say $7.00 at most for seven FTX bullets. Nah, I'll just vent here and take comfort in the belief that all of you understand.
I'm NOT a.....
I'm not an LEO past or present so yeah, imagine the success somebody would have who did NOT know the system well. Short answer. I'd be out a gun.
I'm not an LEO past or present so yeah, imagine the success somebody would have who did NOT know the system well. Short answer. I'd be out a gun.
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Well, that they stuck it in you is not a surprise.
That they didn't break it off sideways in your posterior IS a surprise...
It's a shame that so many businesses and organizations will 'feel' they have the right to do this kind of stuff, and do so by someone just saying it should be that way.
Don't get me started on what certain gun stores do when you have stuff shipped with your rifles to DROS them. Yeah, you do the paperwork and make sure you are complying with the law in your state, and then suddenly the FFL feels THEY have a whole other set of rules they set forth, on ?? moral grounds??
That they didn't break it off sideways in your posterior IS a surprise...
It's a shame that so many businesses and organizations will 'feel' they have the right to do this kind of stuff, and do so by someone just saying it should be that way.
Don't get me started on what certain gun stores do when you have stuff shipped with your rifles to DROS them. Yeah, you do the paperwork and make sure you are complying with the law in your state, and then suddenly the FFL feels THEY have a whole other set of rules they set forth, on ?? moral grounds??
FishingPilot
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My concern is that only now when someone like you is on this side of the desk is it an issue. Just like the domestic spying by the CIA has become an issue for Dianne Feinstein now that she is personally being affected.
I think most people of authority don't care what the civilians have to suffer through until they return to civilian life and are also affected.
I think most people of authority don't care what the civilians have to suffer through until they return to civilian life and are also affected.
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Couldnt agree more on all this.
lonejacklarry
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To quote Merriam-Webster (the dictionary people of some note):
"ci·vil·ian
noun \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
: a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force"
I'm not sure why this bothers some folks.
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Hunter8282
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EXACTLY! 100% Agree!
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With all due respect to LEO's, I could not have said this better. This 'LEO/civilian' dichotomy is a small part of a larger trend of the militarization of the police forces. This is very dangerous, And we all know what happens to the citizenry when the police become the military...the citizens become the enemy.
To the OP: thank you for sharing your story. It's unfortunate you had to go through that nonsense.
Re: OP. Sorry to read of your being the victim of a theft. Glad to read that your property was recovered. Your experience reflects reality for law abiding citizens who are victimized by the police system. It isn't right. But then, when it comes to authority structures right and justice are the last considerations.
You make an excellent point. Frankly unless you are able to get it back because some pointy headed government blob is ill and has in a moment of a drug induced stupor a flash of common sense the property you reported lost or stolen, have serial numbers and photos of, there is no way YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PROVE OWNERSHIP.
wittmeba
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Your persistence paid off and you have the advantage of know what questions to keep asking. Many may have given up.
If it was a vehicle that was impounded would they drain the gas and say you can't have it?
If it was a vehicle that was impounded would they drain the gas and say you can't have it?
lonejacklarry
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I've followed this thread as it turned from a person that lost his gun and was treated shabbily to a LE bashing thread. For what it is worth (probably nothing) I don't know if I would have reported that I "lost" a firearm. As someone mentioned, there could be problems with the persons perceived lack of ability to safeguard his weapons. From there it would not be much of a stretch to conclude a person was not mentally capable of keeping firearms. Unless it was grandpa's Civil War Navy Colt I wouldn't have reported it. But that's me.
Anyhow, the OP reported his problems with a police agency and then the piling on began.
OP's point: His agency, apparently, displayed a lack of customer service. I agree and would not like it much either.
My point: Customer service has become a misnomer in the last decade. Any of you ever tried the 800 number to your cable company? How about your cell phone provider? Satellite TV people? Those of us that frequent auto supply stores for parts bemoan the kid that has no common sense but barely is able to find a part---if he is provided a part number. I'm building a '37 Chevy into a street rod. All the auto parts kid knows is "what are we working on" when I provide part numbers for a wheel bearing. Blank stare time! No training at all.
Anyhow, I don't think his agency displayed a lack of customer service anymore than the foreign speaking person at the cable company. His agency, as well as other establishments, scrimp on training to save money. The civilian managers are sometimes lateral entry folks from another industry.
Customer service is a thing of the past in most places. We older folks bemoan this more than the younger folks. I don't like that either but that is the way it is.
His agency did nothing different than the brain dead server at a drive-thru burger place.
Anyhow, the OP reported his problems with a police agency and then the piling on began.
OP's point: His agency, apparently, displayed a lack of customer service. I agree and would not like it much either.
My point: Customer service has become a misnomer in the last decade. Any of you ever tried the 800 number to your cable company? How about your cell phone provider? Satellite TV people? Those of us that frequent auto supply stores for parts bemoan the kid that has no common sense but barely is able to find a part---if he is provided a part number. I'm building a '37 Chevy into a street rod. All the auto parts kid knows is "what are we working on" when I provide part numbers for a wheel bearing. Blank stare time! No training at all.
Anyhow, I don't think his agency displayed a lack of customer service anymore than the foreign speaking person at the cable company. His agency, as well as other establishments, scrimp on training to save money. The civilian managers are sometimes lateral entry folks from another industry.
Customer service is a thing of the past in most places. We older folks bemoan this more than the younger folks. I don't like that either but that is the way it is.
His agency did nothing different than the brain dead server at a drive-thru burger place.
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mike from st pete
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Is there a difference in being a CITIZEN and being a CIVILIAN?
I do disagree that this has become a LEO bashing but this is a bureaucrat bashing thread. So is there a difference?
I do disagree that this has become a LEO bashing but this is a bureaucrat bashing thread. So is there a difference?
I work in IT. Join me in a hypothetical moment here:
Pretend that you worked at my business and misplaced your personal laptop somewhere in the vicinity of the business. Then you called me to report it stolen. I told you, "Gee, mister, what serial number was on the laptop?.... Uh-huh... Yeah... Ok, yeah, I think someone turned that in this morning. I'll put your name on it."
You come over to pick it up. Nobody in my office knows anything about the laptop. I didn't do what I said I'd do. At this point, you are being served poorly.
When, after running you through several evasive, non-compliant answers, I fail to provide you the laptop that you know for a fact that I have in my very possession, and my boss runs you through the same rigamarole, and you have to go talk to the head of the company in order to get us to give you back your personal property, it no longer is poor customer service. Instead, it's just plain, old, attempted theft.
So, without attempting to bash anyone in uniform, I think it's safe to say that someone in this particular police department engaged in criminal behavior because he really, really liked this guy's gun and wanted to keep it for himself. Moreover, more people in the department covered for him, thus becoming accomplices in this attempted theft.
If that isn't corruption, then what is?
Ranger514
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If that isn't reaching for a conclusion, what is?
Your response indicates that you are reaching for a conclusion, or have perhaps already arrived. I know I have. Welcome to Conclusionland, where you and I can live in harmony and good will.
Of course, now that you are here in Conclusionland, that laptop you are missing and those french fries you just bought and that plate of broccoli you seem to have misplaced are nowhere to be found. Nope. The mere fact that I have a very similar laptop, pile of french fries and a delicious plate of broccoli over here in no way imply that I have "found" yours. Thanks for sharing your broccoli with me. Whoops, I mean, what broccoli? Where?
Of course, now that you are here in Conclusionland, that laptop you are missing and those french fries you just bought and that plate of broccoli you seem to have misplaced are nowhere to be found. Nope. The mere fact that I have a very similar laptop, pile of french fries and a delicious plate of broccoli over here in no way imply that I have "found" yours. Thanks for sharing your broccoli with me. Whoops, I mean, what broccoli? Where?
I did not start the thread to bash cops. But frankly after twenty-fives years as one, if I want to bash cops I have earned the right to be critical of my brothers and sisters. Now having said this, the difference between poor service at the auto parts store. And the PD is simple. The auto parts store can not take your property and do so under color of the law. The auto parts store can't not take away your liberty or life. Cops can do all those things. Lastly I love the way one particular commentor found a clever and not so very subtle way of calling me incompetent for my inability to secure my weapon. I suppose he feels the same about the on duty Seattle Officer who forgot his rifle on the roof of his patrol car. Certainly that officer must have been immediately committed to a home for the senile and mentally imparted. And let's be glad no Police Officer has ever had an accidental discharge of his firearm in a police station.. There but for Grace of God go he!
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BigBill
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I'm very careful when I use a public restroom with an in the pants holster.
But it could happen to any of us we never know. I think I'm switching back to a shoulder holster.
If I was a young kid again I'd become a ninja. And forget guns.
But it could happen to any of us we never know. I think I'm switching back to a shoulder holster.
If I was a young kid again I'd become a ninja. And forget guns.
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