HUGE win in California

[Fishslayer]

Keep hammering Calli ... Ivory towers are fixed defensive positions.
for as long as the rate of damage is greater than the capacity to repair it. ITS GOING DOWN BABY. You just have to keep pressure on it

A big problem is that it costs deleon, feinstein et al zero $$$ to keep throwing new legislation up every single session. And it costs "us" lawyer $$$ to try to overturn it.

The only reason we still have Single Shot Exemption to the roster is that Gov Moonbeam didn't like the wording. We'll be seeing it again this year and SSE will probably go away.

 

[sipowicz]

This guy got it right about Cali.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NrTZPXCDo

 

[UncaGrunny]

Some in-state "MSM" coverage from the Sacramental CeeBeeEss:

Federal Court Tosses California?s Concealed Weapons Rules « CBS Sacramento

You can smell the flop-sweat dripping from every paragraph.

The poll is running rather comically counter-narrative, too.

 

[tlay]

I am happy with the verdict in Kalifornia but I don't think it is time to break out the champagne. Think about this for a second, Obama installs a liberal Supreme Court judge when a conservative judge retires. A lawsuit is brought up challenging Keller. As it was we only won Keller on a 5-4 vote. Now Keller is thrown out, the Illinois verdict is thrown out and then California is gone.
We need to double down on this next election. Vote for the 2nd. Don't back down or relax now!

 

[ladder13]

Oh the irony of the decision. A "free stater" votes against the 2nd, and the 2 judges who you would think would vote against are from 2 of the worst states.


The author of the majority opinion is a longtime federal judge (since 1986) and was actually born in NYC.
The concurring judge is a newer (2003) federal judge who is California native and a Hispanic female former deputy DA.
The dissenting judge is a native of Montana of all places.

So, an Irishman originally from NYC and a Hispanic woman from central CA just granted us a decision which may be the biggest win on our side since Heller, and they were opposed by the white guy from Montana

 

[GaryS]

An appeal for an en banc rehearing of the case is normal and expected. While there have been two Justices replaced on SCOTUS since Heller, both of those judges voted against Heller and at worst the two replacements will vote against this decision.

I'd be surprised if this didn't end up at SCOTUS because there is now a clear split between the 7th and 9th Circuits and the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Circuits. There is at least one more case pending in a Circuit not on that list.

The San Diego County attorneys who defended the present CC permitting laws have asked for an 11-judge panel review of this decision, which is therefore on hold until a resolution is forthcoming. Thus, the present situation is as yet unchanged in CA. Also, the US Supreme Court will undoubtedly weigh in on this if the 9th Circuit decision holds up, as there are other circuit decisions to the contrary, and we now know the USSC leans left on a lot of important issues these days. I live in San Diego and would like this ruling to hold up, but I'm not counting on it just yet.

 

[pfurrer]

I thought judges were suppose to rule on the order of law, uphold and defend the US Constitution. Judges should be above and beyond politics. If judges are going to rule on their political opinions they are no longer judges they're common politicians.

 

[BobsSmith]

It is a big step! What I would like to see would be for the state to have a blanket standard for issuing.

Meaning training back grounds etc and not have each county set their own standard!

I am afraid that those Police Chiefs of Sheriffs in certain areas would comply but put up so many barriers as to make it very difficult or nearly impossible to obtain one.

Great big step in this state!

 

[Dennis The B]

San Diego Sheriff Will Not Appeal To En Banc Court

It looks like the San Diego Sheriff's Department will not appeal to the en banc 9th Circuit Court. Orange County has already stated it will ease requirements pretty much to "shall issue" for CCW permits.

Congrats to our California brethren!

AP News : Key official won't fight concealed-guns ruling

 

[ladder13]

It looks like the San Diego Sheriff's Department will not appeal to the en banc 9th Circuit Court. Orange County has already stated it will ease requirements pretty much to "shall issue" for CCW permits.

Congrats to our California brethren!

AP News : Key official won't fight concealed-guns ruling

That's great news! From what I've been hearing, the DA(or one of the defendants) has until March 6 to ask for a en banc hearing. OR, the defendants have until the end of May to file an appeal.
Some people are saying that they won't file an appeal, so they keep it from going to SCOTUS and making it the law of the land, thereby turning the remaining may-issue states(NY, MA, MD, etc) into shall issue.
There ARE a couple other similar cases working their way thru the system, one in NJ (Drake?) and one in NYC (Kwong?). Either, or both of those are probably headed to the Supremes.

Certainly good news for those in Cali, no doubt.

Where's Caj?

 

[GaryS]

There are a number of right to carry cases making their way through the federal court system. There are two more cases from the Ninth Circuit (one from CA, one from HI) that have already been heard, but the decisions were not released. Those were right to carry cases and were heard by the same panel of judges.

There is a lot of politicking going on around these decisions. The State of CA can attempt to intervene since the decision would be statewide.

That's great news! From what I've been hearing, the DA(or one of the defendants) has until March 6 to ask for a en banc hearing. OR, the defendants have until the end of May to file an appeal.
Some people are saying that they won't file an appeal, so they keep it from going to SCOTUS and making it the law of the land, thereby turning the remaining may-issue states(NY, MA, MD, etc) into shall issue.
There ARE a couple other similar cases working their way thru the system, one in NJ (Drake?) and one in NYC (Kwong?). Either, or both of those are probably headed to the Supremes.

Certainly good news for those in Cali, no doubt.

Where's Caj?

 

[madsend81]

The CA AG just filed a motion to intervene as a defendant and also a petition to rehear en banc. We'll have to see if her motions are accepted. She is claiming standing, but what is interesting is that she declined to be a party early on when it originally was appealed to the CA9. I guess it wasn't important enough for the state to join earlier, but now that they don't like the decision they decide to join at the last minute.

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[Rastoff]

I guess it wasn't important enough for the state to join earlier, but now that they don't like the decision they decide to join at the last minute.

I don't know if this will factor into any future decisions in this case, but it should.

 

[vinny77]

That is great to hear. Now if they would allow reciprocity, I would certainly visit your beautiful state.

 

[Pasifikawv]

The CA AG just filed a motion to intervene as a defendant and also a petition to rehear en banc. We'll have to see if her motions are accepted. She is claiming standing, but what is interesting is that she declined to be a party early on when it originally was appealed to the CA9. I guess it wasn't important enough for the state to join earlier, but now that they don't like the decision they decide to join at the last minute.

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What a shame! Sorry California: Although the original defendant (Sheriff) chooses not to appeal, your AG is stepping in to lead the charge against lawful self defense. AG Harris insists that local bureaucrats "must be able to use their discretion to determine who" can exercise the right to self-defense outside the home.

 

[madsend81]

I don't know if this will factor into any future decisions in this case, but it should.

I think it should as well. The San Diego County Sheriff actually requested the AG to intervene when it was at the District and Appeals level, but the AG declined to be a party to the case. Now that the ruling didn't go the way they wanted, they want to be a party.

 

[Rastoff]

Yeah, I would love to hear a judge dismiss this appeal on that grounds. I'm sure the AG declined to participate because they thought there was no chance the ruling would go against them.

It's like a little kid that ignores a toy until some other kid plays with it. Then the first kid claims it's unfair the second kid won't give it back.

 

[steelslaver]

It is also the way to keep back your cavalry until you see how the battle is unfolding before you charge. Never believe that they are going to fight "fair".

 

[Chillock]

I read last night that San Diego, has received over 500 applications for CC since the court ruling. Sheriff's departed stated that last year they received 500... for the whole year. Way to go Cali!!!

 

[Rastoff]

I read last night that San Diego, has received over 500 applications for CC since the court ruling. Sheriff's departed stated that last year they received 500... for the whole year. Way to go Cali!!!

I'm glad to hear that more are applying. Even so, the last I heard about the San Diego county sheriff is that he's not issuing them. He still want's to see "just cause" even though the courts have ruled it unconstitutional.

Also, the number "500" just goes to show how much concealed carry is a non-issue. There are millions of people that live there. If only 500 are asking for it, that is just another example of how CCW is not going to create the blood bath they think it will.