I enjoy my S&W 3rd Gens, but Beretta takes top prize

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Between the two, Beretta to me takes top prize in building a duty-sized 9mm and .40 S&W pistol. The Beretta 92 and 96 just beat the pants off any 5903/6 and 4003/6 series pistol. But where the S&W 3rd Gens really shine is their single stack designs.

The 3913 and 4040PD are just the perfect companion and off-duty carry piece for someone who trained on a Beretta. Same mechanical method of operation. Slide mounted decocker/safety, along with both being DA/SA actions.

Now, where the 3rd Gens really takes the cake is their .45 ACP chambered guns. I've fooled around with the Beretta 8045 Cougar series and for being a double-stack .45 ACP, they're only 8rds in capacity. The full-size 45xx series are 8rd mags and that's fine since the grip isn't as wide since they're single-stack mags. Plus, the 4516 at being 7rds, still is a nice gun to carry and more importantly shoot.

Sure, the Beretta 8045 isn't a bad gun. But to me, the .45 3rd Gen guns are the best of the era. I think they're better than the SIG P220 series and anything else anyone made at the time.

All in all, if I were back to being a beat cop and worked for an agency that allowed private carry. I'd be rocking what you'd see here today. Work wise, I was GLOCK my entire career (not that I disliked that, GLOCK is striker fired perfection for me) and I was fine with 'em. But the agencies I worked for never allowed private purchase guns to be carried on-duty.

I know who'd have loved to comment in this thread, 18DAI (RIP), he'd have loved to discuss this since he was a big fan of the 3rd Gen series.
 
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Yes and yes. My favorite pistols are TDAs with decockers. I should start carrying one again and as soon as I get my CS-9 overhauled to perfection it is likely to become an EDC because that's why I bought it.

I used to carry my CS-45 but it's too thick for pocket carry whereas the thin 9mms fit as easily as my M649.

Beretta M92 S - Italian police surplus.

I love this pistol, it's way too large for me to carry but perfect for a hidden home defense weapon.

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S&W 5906


I love this pistol, it's way too large for me to carry but perfect for a hidden home defense weapon. Except the Beretta M92 usurped that position. ;)

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Beretta Cheetah FS-85

I love this pistol, too, but it's simply too large for a .380 when there are similarly sized 9mms.

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S&W CS-9

Goes to my gunsmith tomorrow!! It's been waiting too long!

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S&W CS-45

Simply a fabulous, but FAT pistol.

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S&W M6906

Not much larger than the CS-45 but it's only an IWB for me and that's been awhile but I think about going back to it.

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That was fun just thinking about such things! :D
 
Yes and yes. My favorite pistols are TDAs with decockers. I should start carrying one again and as soon as I get my CS-9 overhauled to perfection it is likely to become an EDC because that's why I bought it.

I used to carry my CS-45 but it's too thick for pocket carry whereas the thin 9mms fit as easily as my M649.

Beretta M92 S - Italian police surplus.

I love this pistol, it's way too large for me to carry but perfect for a hidden home defense weapon.

iscs-yoda-albums-pistols-all-brands-picture22400-beretta-92-s-italian.jpg


S&W 5906


I love this pistol, it's way too large for me to carry but perfect for a hidden home defense weapon. Except the Beretta M92 usurped that position. ;)

iscs-yoda-albums-pistols-all-brands-picture21620-s-w-5906-police-surplus.jpg


Beretta Cheetah FS-85

I love this pistol, too, but it's simply too large for a .380 when there are similarly sized 9mms.

iscs-yoda-albums-pistols-all-brands-picture18252-beretta-cheetah-fs-85-a.jpg


S&W CS-9

Goes to my gunsmith tomorrow!! It's been waiting too long!

iscs-yoda-albums-pistols-all-brands-picture15998-cs-9-right-side.jpg


S&W CS-45

Simply a fabulous, but FAT pistol.

iscs-yoda-albums-pistols-all-brands-picture12694-cs-45-001-a.jpg


S&W M6906

Not much larger than the CS-45 but it's only an IWB for me and that's been awhile but I think about going back to it.

iscs-yoda-albums-pistols-all-brands-picture12696-6906.jpg


That was fun just thinking about such things! :D

I'm not fond of the 9mm cartridge, but the Beretta is is incredibly reliable and accurate (though big) and very safe in comparison with striker-fired guns. No disadvantage whatsoever with the first trigger pull being double-action. Practice with it it and you'll not notice a drawback.

However, I can say the same for the Sig P220 .45 ACP (my favorite) and the Sig P226 9mm.
 
Although I've shot the Beretta a lot, and it's an accurate pistol, I have never liked them. I also carried one on each of my two tours overseas. First, I'm not a 9mm fan. Always .45 ACP for me. And I DO love the S&W 3rd Gen pistols. Pref 10mm and .45 Auto, no 9s. Also, the dang Berettas have an issue with the slide mounted safety (another Euro affect I never appreciated, as the ergonomics don't work) was ALWAYS getting bumped to FIRE while carrying.
 
LOL Been doing it since the late 1980s............... I prefer DA/SA for EDC as the "long" DA first shot is a final safety/decision making moment......

Beretta's are great guns..... the 92 Compact is now a 15+1 gun with Mec-ger mags..... 18rd backup mags. Lots of upgrades over the past 40 years.... D-springs, G guns , short triggers, radiused backstrap, Ultra thin G-10 grips,


The Centurion is a great duty size gun with full size frame (18rds mags0 and short 4.25 barrel/slide). What the M-9 should have been.

Both can be easily carried concealed.... but the S&W 6906 and 3913 are better concealed EDC choices short of SHTF.

Been doing all 4 since 1988 and 1990.

.45s ..... my choice is the Sig 220 or compact 6+1 245.
 
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I finally got a 3rd gen in the shape of a 5906 Tactical. I didn't get the wow factor I was looking for, despite its good trigger and accuracy. Even so, I greatly prefer it to the one Beretta 92 I tried. The Beretta has a DA trigger reach across a couple of zip codes, and in stock form the grips are just awful.

As a DA/SA gun to shoot, I find the hammer fired Grand Power pistols far more satisfying. I just wish they had imported more of the decocker variant.
 
I didn't like the Beretta 92 for years... until I actually shot one. A friend sold his to me at a great price, and I love it. It is so smooth easy to shoot.

I removed the safety on mine, and changed it out to a "G" type de-cocker, just as it was originally designed. The safety makes no sense to me, and was only added by the insistence of the US military, as I understand it.
 
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Between the two, Beretta to me takes top prize in building a duty-sized 9mm and .40 S&W pistol. The Beretta 92 and 96 just beat the pants off any 5903/6 and 4003/6 series pistol. But where the S&W 3rd Gens really shine is their single stack designs.



I've never understood the attraction to the 3rd Gen Smiths.

I've owned two, still have my Model 52, which I do love. But the 9mm 6906 was a lesson in suffering. It was reliable, I'll give it that much.

As a Beretta 92Fs owner & lover, the 92 series is light years better than the 3rd Gen Smiths. Ergonomics, accuracy, trigger, all are tenfold better in a Beretta.

I love my Smith revolvers, I have a nice collection of them. Aside from several of the rimfire models, all of the Smith semi line leaves me cold. I include the M&P line in that too.

My .o2
 
My Beretta 92F from 1985. Made in Italy. The 92F was the pistol the US adopted in 1985 later the slide was modified to become the 92FS. Mine is smooth as silk, well made, chrome lined barrel, beautiful walnut stocks, reliable, and a dream to shoot.
 

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Just after the US adopted the Beretta, I had to find out what that was all about, and bought my own copy. It had wood grips, polished finish: looked just like the one in VaTom's photos. It was a fine pistol. It was a bit bulky in the grip frame for me, but that's just me. The 3rd. Gen S&Ws fit me bit better, but that's not a knock on the Berettas..
 
I'm not fond of the 9mm cartridge, but the Beretta is is incredibly reliable and accurate (though big) and very safe in comparison with striker-fired guns. No disadvantage whatsoever with the first trigger pull being double-action. Practice with it it and you'll not notice a drawback.

I've never thought of it as drawback. It mimics revolvers, which pleases me, and then it gets easy, which also pleases me. ;)
 
I've never understood the attraction to the 3rd Gen Smiths.

I've owned two, still have my Model 52, which I do love. But the 9mm 6906 was a lesson in suffering. It was reliable, I'll give it that much.

As a Beretta 92Fs owner & lover, the 92 series is light years better than the 3rd Gen Smiths. Ergonomics, accuracy, trigger, all are tenfold better in a Beretta.

I love my Smith revolvers, I have a nice collection of them. Aside from several of the rimfire models, all of the Smith semi line leaves me cold. I include the M&P line in that too.

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@bobsguns, the 3rd Gens in my opinion are fantastic as single stack pieces. The .45 series guns are awesome as are the compact 9mm and .40 S&W guns too. The 3913 is really something I wish Beretta made. But they didn't, luckily, S&W did. Same goes for the 4566, it is everything right and nothing wrong.

As for the 6906, I have one. It is a good little gun, it is reliable, etc.... but the 3913 in my opinion beats it.
 
Well, Yes and No. My first semi auto was a 3914. Went through 9mm school with it and carried it as a backup and off duty. Had a front pocket holster made with a forward-facing clip. Just the tiniest part of the frame stuck out of my pocket (small violation of dept policy) by my radio and holder covered it. Extra mag in a shortened sap pocket. Felt well armed with 6" model 14 and the 3914. Still have it, great gun.

Then made the switch to a full size 9, Beretta 92fs then a Centurion and a Vertec. Great guns, smoothed them up and they were ultra reliable and accurate enough- really. Did a lot..of shooting and training recruits with the 92 type guns for years, since it was the Dept issue weapon. Actually, liked the 5906, thought it had a bit smoother D/A press but not enough to change. Still carried the 3914 off duty as no Beretta was as small. Had/have a 4506 another great gun, taught transition classes with it, but never carried it. I was out of the field teaching at the academy when they became approved. My wife carried it for years and a 4513 TSW as she was a real working cop.

Then the PC autos were approved, and I jumped to them as I had been shooting the DPA model and a 6906 in competition for several years. It was purely an accuracy thing. The PC guns just shot that much tighter, and the D/A press especially on those guns was smoother. Also, I had gone into the armory and was no longer teaching recruits so I could carry what I wanted.

Centurion was a run for firearms and tactics instructors done by the distributor we used. Just a regular Centurion with an NP3 frame. That stuff is great. The action pistol guys did all kinds of stuff to trick out their Berettas. This other one is very tight shooting. Bizarre set up the front of the slide is beveled and the comp looking piece is conical to fit into the slide, with an O ring bushing to lock it up and absorb some of the force. It shoots almost as well as the PC autos. The topend was on one of my Vertecs but recently I acquired its own frame off of GB. I do like the feel of the Vertec gripframe better than a regular FS.

I carried the 6906 for over 20 years on and off duty and the DPA when in uniform requiring a 4" barrel. The rear sights are a Kensight DAS sight. Pretty much like a Novak but fully adjustable. They don't make them for the SW cut so there is some serious shoehorning to get them in, all done on the sight. Replaced the front nightsights to F/O when I retired.

My daily carry for a few years has been a Hellcat. Sometimes I will break out the 6906, but I don't want to risk it going to an evidence locker. Still have a couple additional Vertecs and my issued FS, so Berettas are well represented...
 

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I've never thought of it as drawback. It mimics revolvers, which pleases me, and then it gets easy, which also pleases me. ;)

I don't consider it a drawback either, but many do. Choices are a great thing, but some, especially the inexperienced make a decision based on poor information or because they haven't taken the time to learn the advantages of a traditional double-action/single-action setup.
 
I've never understood the attraction to the 3rd Gen Smiths.

I've owned two, still have my Model 52, which I do love. But the 9mm 6906 was a lesson in suffering. It was reliable, I'll give it that much.



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My 6906 experience and impression differ from yours.

This started with me with the S&W second generation version, the model number IIRC was 469.

At the time we were still carrying the 4" S&W 686, which I had been able to move my patrol division into. Excellent revolver, far superior than the 66 for us.

During this period, prior to our transitioning to dept issue semi-autos, there was a lengthy list of semi-auto pistols our troops could furnish and carry. Our evidence section had a S&W 469 (9mm) that had been assigned to the department following a court disposition. The department owned it, could issue it, but could never dispose of it. I was offered this pistol for issue. When I picked up this pistol, compact and light weight with a 12 round magazine capacity due to the large grip frame diameter, I really liked the feel of it. I have large hands, width wise, but not overly long fingers, and the fit to my hands was perfect, far better than any of my revolvers had ever been. I took it out to the range for testing. It functioned flawlessly. But the trigger was terrible. Although I could never own it, I decided to have my local gunsmith, whom I knew, do an action job on it on my dime. What he did was amazing, and that is an understatement.

I started carrying this pistol on and off duty. My worst qualification score was 100%. Here I was with a much smaller and lighter hand gun than the 686 going clean every single time, and with ease. That large grip frame with my large stocky hands was a perfect fit. I had found, for me, the perfect hand gun. No one could stay with me. Out of some approx 400 sworn personnel I was the only to go the entire year with a 100% score.

Alas, we were destined to part. Our department adopted the full size .40 cal Glock (don't recall the model number now) as the mandatory carry duty pistol, so the 469 got called back in. I had become accustomed by this time to a semi-auto, so my transition was simple and I still continued with possibles. In fact that is where I was when I retired.

But the Glock was too bulky for off duty carry. So I bought the third generation version of the 469, the 6906. I had my gunsmith do the same action job, and the magic was back. I carried the 6906 until the Glock 26 came out (well after I had retired). This was perfect for me. I had become accustomed to the feel of the Glock and really liked it. The 26 was even lighter and more compact than the 469/6906 so that replaced the 6906 for EDC.

Also, given the utility of the 26, I decided the 6906 was too nice and too valuable to be subjected to the potential rigors of EDC.

I still take it out and shoot it on occasion. It still amazes me how easy it is to shoot so accurately.

I also have a S&W model 52-2, and I consider it to be my ultimate target handgun, despite my several PPC revolvers. But there is something about the 6906 (and 469) that for me is perfection.

I consider the S&W 469-6906 et seq series of pistols to have been S&W's pioneering effort to take compact cut down semi-auto pistols from customized gunsmith creations to factory production status. In my opinion it was refinement by S&W that so improved the compact and reliable breed to induce other manufacturers to introduce them. That includes my Glock 26 which to this day is, for me, the ideal EDC.

I don't have a 'rotation' of hand guns I EDC. Carrying a firearm is strictly business for me. I am certain I will not vary from the 26 in the few years I have left.

But the 469-6906 series are exceptional.
 
Had a Taurus Pt 92 for a while. I could never shoot it right. Other people could shoot it well, and it was extremely reliable, I just couldn't shoot it well. Sold it and bought a replacement pistol, but it wasn't a Smith. Bought a 1911. Shot that MUCH better.
 
If I didn't have plenty of spare 6906 mags, I'd lean heavily towards a Beretta 92 as a house gun and that's simply because parts are readily available if the Beretta goes down. The Smiths are getting harder and harder to supply; yes, they rarely break, but the availability of magazines are an issue.
 

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