I had to get a tooth pulled.

I said that I wouldn't rise to the bait (but I knew that I would;)).

There have been a number of really good questions raised and I will respond to some of them.

First, regarding the movement of the teeth. Yes, it is possible that the loss of a tooth in one arch can actually cause the loss of other teeth on the opposite side and in the other arch. The teeth aren't anchored in the bone in the sense that a nail is anchored in a board. They are suspended in the bony socket by microscopic ligaments that are ruptured when the tooth is extracted. Additionally each tooth helps to support its neighbors by its contact with them. When a tooth is removed, that support is destroyed. When that contact is lost, then it becomes a food trap with the resulting decay and gum disease. Whether the adjacent teeth will move and how much and how quickly depends upon many factors; the age of the patient when the tooth is lost, the amount of gum disease present, the occlusion of the remaining teeth, etc.

Regarding the inevitable loss of a tooth/teeth: It is no more reasonable today to think that teeth will ultimately be lost than it is to think that our fingers will ultimately be lost. Tooth loss is not a natural process. With the exception of an accident, the loss is due to neglect of long duration. The destruction of either the supporting structures (gum disease) or the tooth structure (caries) is preventable. With fluoridation and proper home care, decay (caries) has practically been eliminated in children today. With education and periodic professional care gum (periodontal) disease can be prevented.

The fact that our parents or grandparents lost teeth or had dentures is no reason to believe that we or our children or grand children need to suffer the same disease. The dental profession is one of the few professions which has worked diligently to put itself out of business (Whew, wish attorneys, architects, accountants, etc could say that!:D).

A note about the survivability of dental restorations: Think of it this way...to think that any dentist is going to construct some replacement device in your mouth that will be superior to a sound and healthy tooth is pretty unrealistic. I was comfortable in thinking that I was a pretty good dentist but I wasn't foolish enough to think that I was better than the good Lord in replacing what He had originally provided!

And finally a thought about dental costs: Modern dentistry IS expensive. As a retired dentist, I am amazed at how much more a treatment costs than when I began practice 50 years ago. Of course, everything material that we seek costs more also. In today's WSJ the statement is made that the average student graduates from college with $27,000 in student loans. I recently learned that, on top of that college loan, a recent graduate from my dental school has an average outstanding loan balance of $270,000 and many of the graduates exceed $300,000 from dental school.

Sorry for the long post but just some random thoughts to help put things into perspective.

Bob
 
I am not aware of any nearby dental colleges. I had my hair cut at a barber college a few times. I don't recommend such. In much of India, Africa and remote parts of Asia the dentist is a pair of pliers in the hands of a mechanic, barber, plumber etc. This was largely the situation in the United States until the 20th century.

The old timer dentist who took out my wisdom teeth swore that fluoride was a communist conspiracy. He actually was later murdered under strange circumstances. Perhaps he was right after all. Who knows.

I find any governmental attempts at mass medication for my own good to be suspicious, which would include adding chemicals to my drinking water to "help" my teeth. The same ethics would suggest it would be desirable to put Prozac in the water to make everyone happier.

I would note that most of Europe, Japan and even China have rejected fluoride in the water. Western Europeans and Japanese are not known for having teeth notably worse than Americans.
 
My 8 yr. old Chihuahua had her teeth cleaned and 3 teeth pulled 3 weeks ago for just under $400.00
When I was about 12, i had a gold crown put on a back tooth. Cost of the crown was $22. My dad had a conniption fit. I was at the dentist about 2 months ago and had a front tooth fixed up with that new plastic stuff. The dentist shot me full of Novocaine and while I was on hold in the chair waiting for the stuff to numb me, I could hear the dentist quoting a woman $4K each for implants she wanted.
You can get free tooth removal in most of the gin mills around here. Just talk to the wrong guys girlfriend.
 
I have so much radio opaque stuff in my mouth that x-rays are almost moot. I have crowns that are at least thirty years old. It pays to get quality dental work. With all of that, I've only lost five teeth. Four were pulled when I was twelve and getting braces. the front teeth were pulled back, eliminating the "Bucky Beaver" look and the back teeth were pulled forward, allowing the later molars plenty of room to come in. I did lose one tooth, left side, lower and had a permanent pontic (bridge) put in. That damned bridge had been a pain in the *** ever since it went in. There is a gap beneath it that is large enough to trap food but is too small to clear without either an explorer or a floss loop puller.

Russ
 
I said that I wouldn't rise to the bait (but I knew that I would;)).

There have been a number of really good questions raised and I will respond to some of them.

First, regarding the movement of the teeth. Yes, it is possible that the loss of a tooth in one arch can actually cause the loss of other teeth on the opposite side and in the other arch. The teeth aren't anchored in the bone in the sense that a nail is anchored in a board. They are suspended in the bony socket by microscopic ligaments that are ruptured when the tooth is extracted. Additionally each tooth helps to support its neighbors by its contact with them. When a tooth is removed, that support is destroyed. When that contact is lost, then it becomes a food trap with the resulting decay and gum disease. Whether the adjacent teeth will move and how much and how quickly depends upon many factors; the age of the patient when the tooth is lost, the amount of gum disease present, the occlusion of the remaining teeth, etc.

Regarding the inevitable loss of a tooth/teeth: It is no more reasonable today to think that teeth will ultimately be lost than it is to think that our fingers will ultimately be lost. Tooth loss is not a natural process. With the exception of an accident, the loss is due to neglect of long duration. The destruction of either the supporting structures (gum disease) or the tooth structure (caries) is preventable. With fluoridation and proper home care, decay (caries) has practically been eliminated in children today. With education and periodic professional care gum (periodontal) disease can be prevented.

The fact that our parents or grandparents lost teeth or had dentures is no reason to believe that we or our children or grand children need to suffer the same disease. The dental profession is one of the few professions which has worked diligently to put itself out of business (Whew, wish attorneys, architects, accountants, etc could say that!:D).

A note about the survivability of dental restorations: Think of it this way...to think that any dentist is going to construct some replacement device in your mouth that will be superior to a sound and healthy tooth is pretty unrealistic. I was comfortable in thinking that I was a pretty good dentist but I wasn't foolish enough to think that I was better than the good Lord in replacing what He had originally provided!

And finally a thought about dental costs: Modern dentistry IS expensive. As a retired dentist, I am amazed at how much more a treatment costs than when I began practice 50 years ago. Of course, everything material that we seek costs more also. In today's WSJ the statement is made that the average student graduates from college with $27,000 in student loans. I recently learned that, on top of that college loan, a recent graduate from my dental school has an average outstanding loan balance of $270,000 and many of the graduates exceed $300,000 from dental school.

Sorry for the long post but just some random thoughts to help put things into perspective.

Bob

Bob-

Thanks for trusting us and revealing what you did. I and others need to have such views. There is a fear that if one consults a dentist, he or she may tell the patient to get expensive treatments, to add to their profits. What you said about the costs of dental school makes it obvious why some charge so much. Many will naturally steer a patient toward what makes that dentist the most money. I'm sure that some even use scare tactics.

I appreciate that some who normally clutter important topics like this with attempts at humor have refrained in this case, for the most part. Gator Farmer and a few others have provided reasonable mirth that helped to ease the stress of deciding what to do in dental matters. But they've kept it in reason. Thanks. I don't want to have to root through a lot of chatter to find the valid posts.

In this context, what is meant by "occlusion" ?
 
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Jim,

In dentistry, occlusion refers to the way that the teeth in the upper arch and lower arch fit together (from Latin occlus = to shut). In an ideal occlusion each tooth articulates in a very exact and specific way with its opposing member. Perfect occlusion is something that very few people have and it is the goal of orthodontic treatment. Our occlusion changes throughout life; impacted by wear, age, periodontal (gum) disease, tooth loss, restorations, (i.e. fillings, crowns, bridges), etc.

Bob
 
There is a book out there for do it yourself dentistry, it covers tooth extraction quite well and after having one pulled last year I know it is not hard to do on someone else. The main thing to remember is keep a firm grip on the tooth and that back and forth action is to be kept to a minimum to avoid breaking a root. I've had two teeth pulled, both live. One had to be busted in half with a chisel and pulled, the last one came out pretty slick I must say, the guy really knew his business...he was an endodentist (end o the line) he also did the prep work for the implant which another very interesting procedure involved air tools and ratchet wrenches...worth every penny if you like to use your teeth the way I do, I still have my wisdom teeth mainly because I got a mouth big enough to chew with them. I had a front tooth knocked out when I was twelve, it later became a three tooth bridge. That thing fell out quite a few years ago and I had alot of fun for a couple of days until the dentist McGyvered it back into place, it will probably be my next implant in years to come. Over the years I have enjoyed a good medical/dental insurance plan and take care of my teeth, its funny to think how many years ago I thought I it would be great to wear dentures and not have to mess with my teeth, I know better than that now.
 
I said, "No, I live in Wyoming now, so I guess it doesn't matter."

Pardon me for pointing this out, but aren't you from South Carolina? I thought that was practically a fashion statement down there!

But seriously, a gap in the smile has a lot more to do with one's age than his location. I know this. I'm sure more than a few of us had wished we listened to our mom's dental hygiene lectures a little better.
 
I have to go in for a crown, I guess I better ask the dentist how long he grantees his work. I have military retiree Delta Dental. The last Crown was $1200 bucks and they paid $900.
Between facts that I'm old @ 71, a certified tightwad and as a lifetime member of the pre-flouride generation (please lets not have a flouride debate from all the chiros in the crowd) and given the relaities of having played baseball and college FB prior to good face masks,etc., and throw in an effort to catch a homerun that failed and having had a helicopter jack handle hit me in the same mouth-:
I go to the University of Kentucky dental school for my dntal work-all of it. My crowns are far less than the $1200/900 e.g. above! The students, in their last two yrs of a doctoral dental program are intensely supervised and other than being much slower process wise, I've been well satisfied. The students come from all over as many states lack dental schools. These same students do the work at the VA nearby. If you have an extraction involved then your up a few floors, same bldg. to oral surgery & maxiofacial etc. where the resident student, MD's do that work. I've been there several times too and some up there goes on my Medicare, some not.
8 crowns later I say try it, the kids are refreshing (I had one that was absolutely a hottie-ha!, also the best dentist I've ever had too!!!) over helping your street dentist pay for their country club membership and latest airplane.:)
 
Pardon me for pointing this out, but aren't you from South Carolina? I thought that was practically a fashion statement down there!

But seriously, a gap in the smile has a lot more to do with one's age than his location. I know this. I'm sure more than a few of us had wished we listened to our mom's dental hygiene lectures a little better.

Michigan originally. But there were plenty of missing teeth there too and amongst our Canadian friends. Ice hockey and all. Well, that and fighting.
 
I spent 50 years practicing dentistry...

Fifty years practicing, and you never turned pro?

Sorry...I just couldn't resist.
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Gator, just tap some of those "Graunch Solution" royalties for that implant. It was all those cheap buffets back in Michigan.
 
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