I have a question. Why can't .22 LRs be fired in a .22 Magnum cylinder?

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This is prolly a dumb question, but I've never understood it. Why can't .22 LR shells be fired in a .22 Magnum cylinder? I've never shot a .22 Magnum, so I know next to nothing about it. The bore is obviously the same, since there are convertible revolvers that just require a cylinder swap.
Apparently the case dimensions must be different, right? Otherwise it would be like shooting Shorts in a LR chamber.
Help me out here please.:)
Jim
 
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The .22 magnum has a slightly larger diameter case and rim (0.242"/0.294", respectively) than the .22 long rifle (.226"/.278"). My brother in law has a Winchester 9422 chambered in .22 magnum and has tried shooting LR in it. It spit powder back in his face if I recall correctly. It wouldn't surprise me if it split the cases, too.
 
The .22 Magnum chamber is slightly larger in diameter than a .22 Long Rifle chamber. Yes, you can fire a .22 Long Rifle cartridge in a .22 Magnum chamber, but only if you don't mind poor accuracy and split cartridge cases.
 
That plus I also wouldn't want to have the powder burning short in the cyl.

Between the both you'll have a mucked up mag. cyl in no time.
 
The bores ARE NOT the same. The 22 mag is another .002 bigger. Yes ruger and colt did it but the earlier smaller bores gave better accuracy. The .22 lr cases fired in a mag clyinder may also be hard to eject as they will swell and maybe split. Sure you can do it but they will give you these problems.
 
Yes, you can fire LR's in a Magnum but, you won't want to.
 
You didn't ask *why* 22mag cases are larger than 22lr cases, even though the bullet diameters are almost the same. The reason is because the 22lr uses a "heeled" bullet, where the case is set into the bullet, while the 22mag places the bullet *inside* the case, like a centerfire cartridge.

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The only alternatives to using .22 Magnum (WMR) ammunition are the following:


  • .22 WRF (Winchester Rimfire) which is shorter and uses a plated bullet. Winchester and CCI both load this semi-obsolete round again.
  • .22 Remington Special, which is the identical round to the above
  • .22 ILLARCO, which is known as the .22 Win Mag Short. It's a .22 Magnum that was shortened to the length of a .22 LR for use in a experimental machinegun with the drum on top. These rounds used to be be encountered fairly frequently at gun shows, but not so much anymore. More of a collector item.
Of course, all of the above being shorter than .22 Magnum, can be safely fired in a .22 magnum chamber, but may not feed through repeating mechanisms and will likely have to be fired singly.

Lastly, CCI puts a warning on their .22WRF ammunition not to fire it in handguns. I *believe* this is to discourage people from running them through old, loose H&R's and other cheap handguns made in .22 Remington Special. I have shot may through my S&W 48 with no ill effects other than powder fouling.
 
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Of course you can. I keep forgetting I'm here with my betters who all grew up rich and had plenty of money to buy whatever they wanted. The problem with having too much is you were never stressed to improvise.

Yes, the LR is .222 and the mag .224. We have the same issues with the Jet, too. But there are some reloaders who just use .224, ignore the pressure and case wear issues, then shoot on.

The first thing you've got to understand is 22s aren't all the same. Its like golf balls, they're not all the same diameter either. So dig out your micrometer and a selection of 22s and begin measuring and recording (that's fancy for writing it down.) Not just the bullet at the fattest part, but the cases, too. Then hang around a range some time and pick up a selection of fired 22 mags. Look at the headstamps, no reason to pick up 50 all the same, pick up different ones. Then take them home and measure them, all just for fun.

Here's what you'll find. Brass isn't the same. Some expands more than others, some of it has better "memory" and shrinks back to where it was. What you're looking for is a bunch of it that will still chamber in your revolver after its been fired. Tight is good. Then go to the basement or workshop (I keep forgetting some of you folks live on slabs and don't have dungeons to hide in.) Take a dremel tool or big ole file and remove the rims from the mags. Start with just one of each head stamp.

Then you take the 22lr (or shorts or whatever) that measured out the smallest. You insert them in the magnum case and you have an adapter. It does work, but not always for every gun, or every brand of 22mag case with every brand of 22 LR. Doesn't matter, all you need are a pair it will work together. Then fire away.

Not sure why the big concern with 22 cases splitting. Try as I might, I can't reload them. But the "custom" adapters will prevent them from splitting. And you don't get real good extraction, so take along a short factory cleaning rod with a 22 caliber jag. You can just catch the end of the case (the mag case) and the entire thing will push out. Then its up to you to salvage them for another session, or not. You're only out the few minutes it took to get rid of the rim.

Its not the best way (the best is to never have even bought the 22 mag), but it does allow you to fire specialty ammo in the mag. Examples would be 22 shot (the mag shot shells cost too much), or BB or CB caps if you wish. I guess you could even fire the hyper velocity stuff like stingers. The price differential isn't enough to make it worth your time.

But if all you've got is 22 lr ammo and a 22 mag gun, you can make it work just fine. The accuracy is OK. A lot of folks have sought out M51s and wanted an extra cylinder. We even see the sets at gun shows from time to time. Most of us are old and can't even see the sights, much less the bull. How would we know if it was accuracy or the shakes?

Trust me! :D
 
one thing with the cases splitting with some of the High Velocity 22 is it could flame etch the chamber walls and if you decide to shoot 22 Mag later on it will make ejection very hard
 
What rburg said!

"But if all you've got is 22 lr ammo and a 22 mag gun, you can make it work just fine" - rburg

Howdy,
I'm with rburg on this one. My dad gave me a High Standard derringer years ago. I could not afford to shoot it with magnums so I ran brick after brick of long rifles out of it. Point, shoot, reload. It was a hoot.
I was never a fan of point shooting but the little High Standard was an exception. After lots of practice it was almost impressive inside 15 yards.
The gun never sufferd any ill effects from it. Every now and then I'd split a case.
About the only advice I can give is watch for the long rifle cases to slip behind the extractor, it can be a pain.
Thanks
Mike
 
Thanks for all the replies. I don't own a .22 Magnum, although someday I'd like to have a P&R 4" M48. I just never understood what the difference was.
Thanks for educating me.:)
Jimj
 
Rburg, thanks for a good laugh! That treatise was almost as good as some of the stuff I hear from "expert reloaders" at the shop where I work! Man you made my day!

Pecos
 

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