I HAVE FINALLY RAISED THE SURRENDER FLAG IN RELOADING 45ACP

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I started reloading 45acp brass about 45 years ago and the sole reason for that was my indoor pistol range did not allow the use of jacketed bullets. They were afraid of ricochets apparently. Seemed kind of silly to me because there was a HUGE mound of sand behind the targets and as far as I know bullets do not ricochet off of that, but whatever...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Anyway, that is what got me into reloading and I have been doing so for 45 years now. I reload most of the calibers I shoot except for the ones like 25acp, 32acp, 380acp and 38 super which I rarely shoot.

OK - so now to my pet peeve with 45acp! As most everyone here knows, a while ago ammunition manufacturers started using small pistol primers in their promotional ammo lines - I guess it saves them a few cents. Anyway, up until very recently I just ignored the small primer brass and left it on the range floor for someone else to retrieve. I did not want to mix up the brass and have an explosion because I was using a large primer in a small case.

Some here may know just how much I shoot my 1911's and my Colt Gold Cup NM (circa 1974) has somewheres around 150,000 rounds through it, just to demonstrate how much I shoot. My 45acp brass has been reloaded so many times and most cases are the same age as I originally shot only factory ammo - bought it by the case. I now find that all my 45acp brass is in desperate need of being replaced - pretty much all at once. That said, it's almost impossible for me to find a new supply of large primer, once fired 45acp cases at the range's I belong to as most shooters purchase small primed cartridges because they are usually less expensive. If they are not reloader's, they might now even know!

So I have caved! I have now decided to collect any 45acp cases I can including mostly the small primer cases. SPP cases are very easy to find and plentiful at almost any range. Last Friday, one of the shooter's on the range saw me scrounging for my own brass and about an hour later he handed me 200, once fired Federal cases that he had just shot. He was nice enough to box them all up and I was extremely appreciative - he told me he is not a reloader. My goal is to collect 6,000 - 10,000 once fired cases over the next year to replenish my worn out supply of 45acp. I own a few presses including a Dillon 650 and despite the number of rounds I reload a year, I will not say I actually "enjoy" it! Because it is just a "task" to me, I like to "binge load" and will load up 10,000 cartridges over 3 days and be done with a specific caliber. I cover the press and only uncover it when the next caliber needs reloading - then binge once again.

Of course now I need to spend hours separating SPP / LPP brass but at the same time I get to inspect the cartridges for cracks and issues. Thankfully, I probably have a lifetime supply of powder & primers - both small and large that I purchased before prices got insane. At today's component prices it almost makes no real sense (except for enjoyment or customization if you enjoy that) to reload. Because I do have the components, I will continue to roll my own and hope I live long enough to shoot every round! :D
 
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I hate SPP pockets in .45 ACP. Luckily I have accumulated plenty of large primer pocket over the years. Every once in a while I pick up a SPP piece of .45 ACP brass...argh! Not a whole lot of shooters, beside bullseye pistol shooters shoot the .45 ACP any more. I also hate it when I get an occasional .40 S&W or 9mm case stuck in my treasured .45 ACP brass. Although I have a Dillon 650 and 550, I can't imagine loading 10,000 rounds in 3 days! You are a boss! I'd probably have thousands that had some little thing that made the loads less than ideal. I recently loaded a few hundred 9mm rounds and changed bullets (the shape, not the weight). The COAL is too long for my Springfield Armory Ronin, but they work fine in my Sig P 320 pistols, as well as, my P365. It took me a while to figure out that the Ronin wasn't the problem, but the ammo, because of the Sigs eating all of the long 9mm rounds easily. In hindsight, I should have measured the COAL and checked the loaded rounds with my check gauge.
 
I used to hate SPP 45acp with the fury of an angry god. After the COVID shortages however, I like having options. I was able to source a large amount of SPP 45acp brass and have been using it for 200gr SWC and 185gr FP loads recently. I do really like not having to switch out the primer feed to move between 38 Special and 45…..

Also, for a while there SP and SR primers were all that was really available. That allowed me to keep buying/loading and really made my “stash” flexible.

I’ve noticed basically zero difference with the same 200gr SWC load with large or small primers.
 
.45 ACP in SPP are the best thing since sliced bread. Primers are readily available now, but ONLY in the small variety. I'm saving all my LPP for .41 and 45 Colt.

Now if we could only find some LRP. I shoot a lot of 5.56, but my 06 and .308 shooting has been curtailed.
 
excuse me for jumping in with dumb question

I'm not a reloader, but have about 600 rounds of 45 ACP, mostly Blazer Brass 230 gr. FMJ, Federal/American Eagle, 230 gr. FMJ, Remington UMC, 230 gr. FMJ and a small amount of Federal Hydra Shok 165 gr. JHP. Most all of this ammo is probably 10 years old at minimum, maybe more.

I rarely go out and shoot 45 ACP anymore but would be happy to burn a bunch up and send you the brass for free but question for me is:

How do you tell small from large primers by looking at the various ammo? Physically obvious difference in dimensions? Color?

I sold the Model 25-2, still have a S&W Model 745, and an old warhorse 1943 Ithaca 1911-A1....just don't get any of them out much anymore.

I don't mind collecting brass at the indoor range as it all ends up in my lane anyway, but if it is all this "small" pocket stuff...is it even worth it for you guys?

Just some thoughts from a non-reloader.
 
there's no such thing as too much ammo unless you have a fire.
The notion of enough ammo is highly debatable.
But I do have a lot of 45 ammo and have seen little need to load any in the past several years. Most of my recreational shooting has transitioned to 9mm where product support is strong.
though the argument for SSP in the 45 has some validity if it allows us to allocate LPP for the heavy magnums and the like.
 
I'm not a reloader, but have about 600 rounds of 45 ACP, mostly Blazer Brass 230 gr. FMJ, Federal/American Eagle, 230 gr. FMJ, Remington UMC, 230 gr. FMJ and a small amount of Federal Hydra Shok 165 gr. JHP. Most all of this ammo is probably 10 years old at minimum, maybe more.

I rarely go out and shoot 45 ACP anymore but would be happy to burn a bunch up and send you the brass for free but question for me is:

How do you tell small from large primers by looking at the various ammo? Physically obvious difference in dimensions? Color?

I sold the Model 25-2, still have a S&W Model 745, and an old warhorse 1943 Ithaca 1911-A1....just don't get any of them out much anymore.

I don't mind collecting brass at the indoor range as it all ends up in my lane anyway, but if it is all this "small" pocket stuff...is it even worth it for you guys?

Just some thoughts from a non-reloader.

The only visible difference in the case is the size of the primer.
The diameter of a small primer is 0.175". A large is 0.212".

So use a ruler. If it's smaller than 3/16" it's a small primer. If it's bigger than 3/16" and smaller than 7/32" it's a large. Once you find both sizes you can use 2 pieces as a guide to check the rest.

Some will poopoo small primers, but many of us would take whatever was given for free....
 
.45 ACP in SPP are the best thing since sliced bread. Primers are readily available now, but ONLY in the small variety. I'm saving all my LPP for .41 and 45 Colt.

Now if we could only find some LRP. I shoot a lot of 5.56, but my 06 and .308 shooting has been curtailed.
Sacrilege!:) I still hate small primer pockets in .45 ACP. I see large pistol primers for sale for as little as 4 cents ea.
 
I can't think of any inanimate objects I hate. But since I inspect all the brass I reload, just lookin/glancing at a case head is a significant step in my reloading routine, not a dreaded task. But then, I like reoading...
 
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So I have caved! I have now decided to collect any 45acp cases I can including mostly the small primer cases. SPP cases are very easy to find and plentiful at almost any range. Last Friday, one of the shooter's on the range saw me scrounging for my own brass and about an hour later he handed me 200, once fired Federal cases that he had just shot. He was nice enough to box them all up and I was extremely appreciative - he told me he is not a reload…………l:D

I think a Rinaii flush is in order here. :D
 
I can’t begin to imagine shooting that many pistol rounds for any reason, particularly in indoor ranges, which bore me after about 15 minutes. I never liked indoor ranges and have not used one for years. I can go and shoot steel or paper targets outside at various places outside, including one very nice private outdoor range, and even at my own house.
No range officers, no safety rules, other than common sense, and lower noise levels, and no idiots to contend with. No waiting either.
 
Sacrilege!:) I still hate small primer pockets in .45 ACP. I see large pistol primers for sale for as little as 4 cents ea.

OMG help me out here.

In March of 2020, when the 6:00 news uttered the word "Pandemic", the very next day I cashed in 2 SS checks and put an order in for primers at $0.04 apiece. I'm still using some of them, but in the last year I had to replenish my supply.

The Covid years saw them to be almost unobtainium, but only if you paid up to 15 cents. Now they are down to about 8 cents, and I figure that is where they will stay.

I would ask you to tell us where you get them for 4 cents, but I figure you won't because if you did they would probably be sold out in a few hours.
 
I can’t begin to imagine shooting that many pistol rounds for any reason, particularly in indoor ranges, which bore me after about 15 minutes. I never liked indoor ranges and have not used one for years. I can go and shoot steel or paper targets outside at various places outside, including one very nice private outdoor range, and even at my own house.
No range officers, no safety rules, other than common sense, and lower noise levels, and no idiots to contend with. No waiting either.

I shoot every other weekend at my mountain cabin. I have both rifle and pistol ranges. But in the Winter, when it's cold and snowy I shoot EVERY week at my club.

My indoor range has no range fee, it is open 24/7 and we don't require a range officer. The weekday guys are all old retired bullseye shooters, and the only rules are that you police your brass and be safe. We ran all the idiots off. My range has 13 lanes, and rarely are more than 4 in use.

But of course, I'm in NY, where those of us that are Sportsmen take it all seriously.
 
These cretins that put small primers in .45 ACP cases should be put in stocks, humiliated by day and subject to unspeakable acts at night.
 
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I hate SPP pockets in .45 ACP. Luckily I have accumulated plenty of large primer pocket over the years. Every once in a while I pick up a SPP piece of .45 ACP brass...argh! Not a whole lot of shooters, beside bullseye pistol shooters shoot the .45 ACP any more. I also hate it when I get an occasional .40 S&W or 9mm case stuck in my treasured .45 ACP brass. Although I have a Dillon 650 and 550, I can't imagine loading 10,000 rounds in 3 days! You are a boss! I'd probably have thousands that had some little thing that made the loads less than ideal. I recently loaded a few hundred 9mm rounds and changed bullets (the shape, not the weight). The COAL is too long for my Springfield Armory Ronin, but they work fine in my Sig P 320 pistols, as well as, my P365. It took me a while to figure out that the Ronin wasn't the problem, but the ammo, because of the Sigs eating all of the long 9mm rounds easily. In hindsight, I should have measured the COAL and checked the loaded rounds with my check gauge.

With the help of a friend who does the primer tube filling as I am loading and also sorts out the loaded ammo into boxes, it is relatively easy to crank out 500 - 600 rounds an hour. After 6 or 7 hours or so I have done 3,500 rounds. After 3 days at it, viola, 10K! If I had to stop and load the primer tubes and sort out the loaded rounds - no way. So after a few dedicated days of loading, I crank 'em out! I'd rather work my butt of for 3 days or so and be done with a caliber for a year than to do smaller amounts often. I load every case I have and start the cycle over again. BTW, I spend the week before loading just tumbling the brass. My friend who helps also shoots and I do throw him a bunch for his own personal use so he is happy as well.

Also remember, another plus to using polymer bullets is that there is no lube. Lube always clogs up the dies and it takes valuable time to clean them. With polymer bullets there are no more clogged up dies to stop for.

I reload very methodically and carefully and when done I feel great knowing that I need not go near the press for a while. Because I shoot so much, 10K rounds of 45acp does not actually last me that long - maybe a year or so. I do give my buddy a bunch for helping me which works out great for both of us.

I personally prefer he LPP for 45acp as well, however like I stated above, it's getting very hard to find on the floor of the range now days. Since I have both size primers I will forget my preferences and load what I can find. I held out for many years only using the LPP, but now almost all my old brass needs replacement very shortly so I can't afford to be overly picky.
 
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I recently ran across a Colt Gold Cup that had an off-center firing pin strike, very common with hard fit barrels. The pistol had several failures to fire on spp ammo, the firing pin strike was too far to the edge of the primer to reliably fire. My personal 1911 is as far off-center but never fails to set off LPP ammo.
 
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