I have never heard of this ammo

[Chrisj357]

MagSafe Self - Defense Ammo.

Its supposedly used by law enforcement as PP rounds.......essentially a hollow point jacket filled with shot instead ofa bullet looks like to me. Anyone here ever tried this or knows about it?

 

[38-44HD45]

I am unaware of LE use of MagSafe, but I've shot a lot of it and carried it some, but not for many years. Joe Zambone and his family originally made MagSafe ammo, in lots of different configurations for lots of different calibers. Most of it was various sizes of lead shot embedded in epoxy, inside a conventional bullet jacket. Some was an epoxy-only core. All of it was loaded hot, some REALLY hot. I was always a little dubious of its penetration potential, but it fragmented spectacularly in water, gelatin and meat. The bullets are so light that they tend to hit very low, especially in revolvers, which is one reason I quit carrying it. The other reason was my concerns regarding underpenetration.

Joe sold the company to some folks down in Florida some years back, and they cut back on the variety of loads and calibers. I have little experience with the ammo made by the newer company, but Joe trained them personally, so they should know how to make it. Tragically, Joe bled to death after breaking a leg in a motorcycle accident in Australia several years ago.

 

[357larry]

I have no experience with the Magsafe brand but it sounds like the same thing as the old Glaser safety slug. These were primarily intended for use in nightstand guns where their limited penetration was a plus. Saw a demonstration once with rounds shot into a wall of typical home construction and the rounds failed to exit the wall making them less likely to cause injury to a loved one in the next room. The rounds did have a rather wicked wound channel when fired into gelatine. Rather shallow but large in diameter.

I had heard that they were less effective on heavily clothed targets. Also, because of their very light weight and extreme velocities, they rarely shot to point of aim. For these reasons plus their inability to even penetrate auto glass, I would not consider them for LEO use.

 

[WR Moore]

Besides the absurd cost per round and shooting very low from point of aim, the tactical penetration is virtually non-existent. I went through a lot of Glasers putting down animals and came to distrust it.

I'm also aware of at least one round that demonstrated significant penetration of drywall-it ended up in the apartment next door.

If the touted performance seems magical: it's all illusion.

 

[Pointblank2U]

The only Kaboom event I ever experienced was with that brand of ammunition. It was a case head failure. It blew out the magazine and pretty much destroyed it. The gun and I were otherwise alright. I haven't used any of it since.

 

[red9]

I have heard of Mag-Safe or similar shot-filled bullets being used by the Sky Marshall program, where penetration is not desirable. For personal protection, stay away from it.

 

[crem1n0le]

works great for pest control but i wouldnt use them for sd.it may sound bad but if i have to shoot someone in sd i want them to be no more not irratated.i cant say for sure but i think a heavily clothed and armed bg would still be able to return fire

 

[SMSgt]

Air Marshals are using the .357 SIG caliber. Overpenetration is not a concern. Typical gel penetration is 12-14 inches, only slightly more than the other typical SD calibers.

I wouldn't waste my time or money on any of these "safety" rounds. If it comes down to my survival, I don't want to be safe, I want to be deadly.

As far as interior wall penetration, unless you get lucky and hit a wood stud or metal electrical box, sheetrock won't stop anything, not even .22 LRs. I've put .22 Shorts and air-powered pellets through them on many occasions.

 

[Steve C]

MagSafe ammo (vs Mag Tech) is a prefragmented round similar to the Glasser Safety Slug that provides high lethality and low penetration. This type of ammo was originally designed for use in airplanes by air marshals to avoid punching through the cabin. They have a reputation for being very lethal. The cost of this type of ammo is quite high and its prohibitive to shoot it for practice.

I bought some .38 spl Glassers years ago but at $3 a round still haven't shot them.

 

[WR Moore]

.. is a prefragmented round similar to the Glasser Safety Slug that provides high lethality and low penetration. This type of ammo was originally designed for use in airplanes by air marshals to avoid punching through the cabin.

Oh, please. The round was developed to minimize ricochets, thus the "safety slug" label. Yes it does also limit penetration, but the Air Marshals never had anything to do with it. They're currently using Gold Dots and as a previous poster noted, in .357 Sig. Please note the airplane that landed safely in Hawaii missing about 20 feet of cabin roof due to structural failure. A few bullet holes isn't a concern.

 

[Inspector-Callahan]

The magic word....

The next claim somebody's going to make is that their "TACTICAL!" Ha!

IC

 

[Steve C]

Oh, please. The round was developed to minimize ricochets, thus the "safety slug" label. Yes it does also limit penetration, but the Air Marshals never had anything to do with it. They're currently using Gold Dots and as a previous poster noted, in .357 Sig. Please note the airplane that landed safely in Hawaii missing about 20 feet of cabin roof due to structural failure. A few bullet holes isn't a concern.

You must be relatively young as I read magazine articles about the Federal Air Marshals testing amd using Glasers in the 70's, you know, where we used to get information before PC's and Al Gore invented the Internet.

Read the Wiki article Glaser Safety Slug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under "Usage" for edification and documentation that my memory isn't shot yet,

 

[Andy Griffith]

I believe Magsafe is made in Florida and owned by Shoot Straight, IIRC.

 

[crem1n0le]

the only way i see them stopping someone without unloading the whole clip on a bg is point blank in the face and that will definatly drop someone but probably wouldnt kill them unless one of those little "fragments" go through an eye